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KenolKobil shareholders face significant dilution
stocksmaster
#11 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 11:21:59 AM
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the deal wrote:
No wonder the share price has remained stagnant, insiders new this was coming, i say 300 Mil of new shares is too much and the dilution will be massive unless Segman anticipates 50+% growth in coming years, but at least employees will buy shares at the current price...OVERALL this is bad news and the timing is wrong.


I tend to agree with the Deal. The 0.3B new shares out of about 1.772B represents almost 17% of the entire shareholding of the company.If not spread over at least 10 years (the first ESOP by Kenol Kobil of 2003 only apportioned about 0.65% of the total shareholding of the company), then the 467 employees (as at March 2010)through the ESOP will rank among the top three shareholders of KK. I wonder what the percentage of issued shares constitutes the ESOP in the other NSE listed companies.The management will need to do alot of justification for this even to the CMA (does CMA have a limit of what the ESOP should constitute as a percentage of the total issued shares?).

Having said that, the management must be very optimistic of growth especially with the ongoing expansion for them to seek such a collosal amount of shares for the ESOP. By the time all the ESOP shares have been allocated to employees (in 5 - 10 years), the issued shares should be in the range of 6B in order for the employee stake to be about 5%.

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the deal
#12 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:00:36 PM
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Hehehehe @Mwanahisa this is definitely a stress inducing matter...the way i was becoming comfortable...well the regional expansion has come at a price and i think Segmen being MD and Chairman he will take a huge chunk of those shares, i don't see KK profits for 2011 being 50%+ probably btwn 20-40%...I'm looking at Centum at the moment it might be a good substitute.
Cde Monomotapa
#13 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:39:18 PM
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SELL, SELL, SELL!!
mlennyma
#14 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 3:03:38 PM
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Its just worth a sell given the dilution and next years elections.i hope 2012 will create a better entry point.
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QW25071985
#15 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 3:25:35 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
the deal wrote:
No wonder the share price has remained stagnant, insiders new this was coming, i say 300 Mil of new shares is too much and the dilution will be massive unless Segman anticipates 50+% growth in coming years, but at least employees will buy shares at the current price...OVERALL this is bad news and the timing is wrong.


I tend to agree with the Deal. The 0.3B new shares out of about 1.772B represents almost 17% of the entire shareholding of the company.If not spread over at least 10 years (the first ESOP by Kenol Kobil of 2003 only apportioned about 0.65% of the total shareholding of the company), then the 467 employees (as at March 2010)through the ESOP will rank among the top three shareholders of KK. I wonder what the percentage of issued shares constitutes the ESOP in the other NSE listed companies.The management will need to do alot of justification for this even to the CMA (does CMA have a limit of what the ESOP should constitute as a percentage of the total issued shares?).

Having said that, the management must be very optimistic of growth especially with the ongoing expansion for them to seek such a collosal amount of shares for the ESOP. By the time all the ESOP shares have been allocated to employees (in 5 - 10 years), the issued shares should be in the range of 6B in order for the employee stake to be about 5%.

Happy hunting.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly . this issue is so hot till it removed @ stockmaster where he was hidding...Mr.Stockmaster how do you like the bear markets so far. are you invested in any defensive stocks.coz its the only way you can do another 100% (ifnot close to) in this market.as for me my stand is know am bearish till year's end.
QW25071985
#16 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 3:29:43 PM
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cnn wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
I doubt this is an April Fool's prank. It is a serious matter.

I am OK with the issuance of additional shares under an ESOP but they have to be at the market price OR given only when certain benchmarks are made.

In essence the question is of COMPENSATION...

I prefer shares [300mn shares = KES 3bn] given as compensation over time than cash. KQ's management has hardly any shares but are paid in cash so do not care about the shareholders as much if at all except for GoK & KLM.

My gut tells me the shares will be issued over 5 years thus there is a dilution factor but if the employees can generate KES 600mn+ over & above the current profits, then it is OK.

Also, the cash that would go to pay employees will be reduced & go into KK's capital as shareholders' funds...

I agree on issuance over time,it would be reckless to do it at once,seeing the possible effect on the price.I am sure the company will avail the finer details.The announcement may be an indicator of the managements confidence in company performance going forward and if it gets the employees putting in sufficient effort to get the company growing ,why not entice them? And reward them subsequently.


@ cnn after all is said and done the share price will have to factor in ALL those shares that will be injected into the stock market over the period of time.and this willnot be good for the share price in the short term...
cnn
#17 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 3:52:34 PM
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@qw,over time the company profits should also grow to justify any employee rewards,otherwise they should pay for them at market price,like the case at Access.
At Equity bank the ESOP has a 3.8% holding,which is reasonable.That is why i do not expect the management at KK to be blind to the dilution angle and expect issuance over a period backed by growth.But hey if they can sustain 40% YOY,that is another matter.
BGL
#18 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 5:42:41 PM
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This is what we can expect from a ONE-MAN-SHOW style of running public listed companies. JIS is so powerful to the extent that he can do whatever he pleases. Imagine when a single person is the CEO, Chairman and if that is not enough he is the man who does the public relations. But lets give the credit where it is due, the guy is brilliant but he can do well if he relinquishes the post of Chairman and makes some time to attend some 'evening classes' in corporate governance. It reminds of the days when M-O-1 was baba & mama.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 7:44:28 PM
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The CMA should look into this. E in ESOP means employee but we know its only the executives who benefit. When the dust settles Segman will be a few billions richer
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mlennyma
#20 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:02:52 PM
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When is their books close for dividends?
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