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Martha Karua 4 President.
newfarer
#81 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:40:18 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
newfarer wrote:
Mukiha , the 'spirit' of 'current leaders' is the leaders who have done injustices to Kenyans.

Abdikadir Mohammed and Peter Kenneth do not qualify to be in the list, according to me.


I have interacted with Peter Kenneth and guy's, he is a very cool jamaa. Would certainly consider him for my vote. But again, I have not met any other supposed presidential aspirant.



Did he declare any intention to stand for the big seat during your meeting?
Please give him Wazua site link the next time you meet him.

Tell him there are guys ready to stand by him, me included.
punda amecheka
mwenza
#82 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:42:35 PM
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Nandwa wrote:

Every Dick Tom and Harriet will try to associate with the luyia and hope to get their vote.
These lies are nauseating.
RAO was also sold in western as a Luyia who only immigrated to Nyanza.Mjinga akierevuka mwerevu yu mashakani.



There are very strong rumours that RAO's father, Jaramogi was fathered by a lunje, King of Wanga.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#83 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:55:13 PM
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@newfarer

Could not bring up politics the environment was not right, and also did not manage to engage in small talk.
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mukiha
#84 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:03:51 PM
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newfarer wrote:
Mukiha , the 'spirit' of 'current leaders' is the leaders who have done injustices to Kenyans.

Abdikadir Mohammed and Peter Kenneth do not qualify to be in the list, according to me.

A few years ago some Political Youth Group invited me to join them. I declined and told them that I am too old to be in a youth group.

They pressed on arguing that under the new definition [remember the Youth Enterprise Funds fiasco?], the age limit had been increased to 35.

I told them that I was above that age.

They replied saying they can make a special exemption for people "slightly" above the cut-off.

I told them them that I was close to ten years above the limit....and that I was one of the "Wazees" they were trying to overthrow from leadership positions.

Then came the clincher: "You know, youth is not about age, it is about a persons mental attitude..."
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It's interesting how we change definitions to suit our point of view!
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#85 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2011 3:08:45 PM
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B.Timer wrote:

I said it before and I will say it again here;
Once any politician quits the mainstream artery of playing the game (for that is what politics ia all about) they stand a snow balls chance in hell of ascending to power.

The next election will be a duel between two two political strands - never mind what names the strands will eventually assume as parties.

Those strands today are called PNU and ODM.

As long as Karua does not align herself with any of these, her dream will be just that a dream.

And by the way today she has been deserted by all the MPs that used to hang with her. Even Mungata booted her!



.....I am a realist and here I agree with you entirely!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Ngalaka
#86 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:27:59 PM
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Other than being forceful Martha is just another politician dotting our political landscape period!

Like the rest of the pack she plays the politics of self interest.

She only ditched Kibaki when she realised she wasnt very well placed in his grand succesion matrix.
Only then She began playing rogue and eventualy organised her perfect exit plan - playing victim.

What Martha is playing today is pure populist politics.

Otherwise how does anyone explain her posturing during Kibakis first term:

-She defended the Aglo leasing scandal and its players.

-She defended the Mamluki fiasco.

She scorned those who chose to fight NO during the 2005 referundun - going to an extend of calling the Northen Kenya communities Refugess!

She helped Kibaki withold all the commission of enquiry reports.

She adopted as see no evil hear no evil approach in Govt.

Kibaki of 2nd term is an Angel compared to that of 1st term, yet conveniently she only saw his faults in his second term!!

Yet She was his most ardent defender.

It's all about positioning herself to hoodwink Kenyans.

Self interests and a headstrong character(she once tried to kick box Raila)!

Pass her on us!!!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
newfarer
#87 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2011 8:54:21 AM
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Applause Applause Applause Ngalaka , for once we are on one side.I wish you could see and say the same on KalonzoPray Pray Pray



Ngalaka wrote:
Other than being forceful Martha is just another politician dotting our political landscape period!

Like the rest of the pack she plays the politics of self interest.

She only ditched Kibaki when she realised she wasnt very well placed in his grand succesion matrix.
Only then She began playing rogue and eventualy organised her perfect exit plan - playing victim.

What Martha is playing today is pure populist politics.

Otherwise how does anyone explain her posturing during Kibakis first term:

-She defended the Aglo leasing scandal and its players.

-She defended the Mamluki fiasco.

She scorned those who chose to fight NO during the 2005 referundun - going to an extend of calling the Northen Kenya communities Refugess!

She helped Kibaki withold all the commission of enquiry reports.

She adopted as see no evil hear no evil approach in Govt.


Kibaki of 2nd term is an Angel compared to that of 1st term, yet conveniently she only saw his faults in his second term!!

Yet She was his most ardent defender.

It's all about positioning herself to hoodwink Kenyans.

Self interests and a headstrong character(she once tried to kick box Raila)!

Pass her on us!!!

punda amecheka
McReggae
#88 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2011 10:16:31 AM
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The Karua predicency is another Aprils Fools day,

Ngalaka, well said!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Mboghals
#89 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2011 11:04:31 AM
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karua could take advantage of the current confusion in PNU and ODM leadership. She could show that men leadership is a dissapointment and killer of the wish of kenyan for a new dawn and therefore sell herself as woman candidate and alternative to men. She would capitalise on this and win the woman niche...but not kikuyu niche or spend too much time fighting UHURU to get kikuyu support. There is a poll that shows over 50% of kenyans could vote a woman leader. Unfortunatley she is too combative and is more occupied fighiting men...uhuru, RAO and RUTO etc, which make people tired. She has not realised that the OCAMPO six have attracted huge clouds of sympathisers and the moment she meddle too much on it she is diverting the good qualities people would see in her. Let her talk issues, problems the current government has failed to offer and link it to women and children as the most sufferer and she will get mileage. Sirlef Johnson was regarded an iron lady but touched the right button
Wendz
#90 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2011 11:45:43 AM
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But you forgot to mention, she has been very active in campaigning for people with some questions to answer on pharmaceutical field...

My beef with her is that she deliberately fights the wrongs in other people's camps while with the same strength covering those in her camp.... i would have loved to hear what she'd have to say if someone else was defending Sonko in parliament over his dressing... chances are she would have quickly produced the Parliament dress code and the violation therein.

No evil happens on her side.... as a leader, you have to be able to rebuke the evil whether it is on your side or your oponents side... now that will be a sign of responsible leadership.



Ngalaka wrote:
Other than being forceful Martha is just another politician dotting our political landscape period!

Like the rest of the pack she plays the politics of self interest.


newfarer
#91 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2011 12:17:29 PM
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Thank you people for opening your eyes. Given a chance , I think Marthar Karua would make Kibaki, Moi and Kenyatta look like saints.

There is a high likelihood that if Marthar was not in the picture in 2007 , Kibaki would have conceded defeat and PEV would have been avoided or be in smaller scale.

Artul brothers ,Marthar was in the picture.Water fund allocation when she was the water ministry was badly skewed(just as Charity has been doing/ perfected at a higher scale but luckily for Marthar PLO was not in the picture, it was Ringera).Major Pharmacists in parliament smoke the flower, aaaaai no! This is new Kenya we need to start a process of getting new leaders.We may not succeed in 2012 or 2017 or even 2022 but we can succeed.The journey should start now.

We can move from what we see/think as good leadership to great leadership by taking small but forward steps.
punda amecheka
selah
#92 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2011 1:20:14 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Other than being forceful Martha is just another politician dotting our political landscape period!

Like the rest of the pack she plays the politics of self interest.

She only ditched Kibaki when she realised she wasnt very well placed in his grand succesion matrix.
Only then She began playing rogue and eventualy organised her perfect exit plan - playing victim.

What Martha is playing today is pure populist politics.

Otherwise how does anyone explain her posturing during Kibakis first term:

-She defended the Aglo leasing scandal and its players.

-She defended the Mamluki fiasco.

She scorned those who chose to fight NO during the 2005 referundun - going to an extend of calling the Northen Kenya communities Refugess!

She helped Kibaki withold all the commission of enquiry reports.

She adopted as see no evil hear no evil approach in Govt.

Kibaki of 2nd term is an Angel compared to that of 1st term, yet conveniently she only saw his faults in his second term!!

Yet She was his most ardent defender.

It's all about positioning herself to hoodwink Kenyans.

Self interests and a headstrong character(she once tried to kick box Raila)!

Pass her on us!!!


Your chronology of events are biased in that you claim Martha fell out with Kibaki on his second term actually Narc kenya was formed in his first term 2006 to be specific.After Githongo dossier painted a corrupt govt Martha started distancing her self with The Kiabaki brigade.

During her term as a justice minister most reform agenda were mooted including fast tracking referendum.

Its quite a pity that you would equate her silence on evils committed by Kibaki to being supportive of those evils.

As I said earlier unless you have something this lady said that was not true or was misleading to the public or was not for the public good please innuendos and witch hunting will not fly.


'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
aemathenge
#93 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2011 1:49:49 PM
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Ngalaka
#94 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2011 8:18:58 PM
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Quote:
Selah wrote;

Your chronology of events are biased in that you claim Martha fell out with Kibaki on his second term actually Narc kenya was formed in his first term 2006 to be specific.After Githongo dossier painted a corrupt govt Martha started distancing her self with The Kiabaki brigade.

During her term as a justice minister most reform agenda were mooted including fast tracking referendum.

Its quite a pity that you would equate her silence on evils committed by Kibaki to being supportive of those evils.

As I said earlier unless you have something this lady said that was not true or was misleading to the public or was not for the public good please innuendos and witch hunting will not fly.



Dishonesty or blind following!!

Narc Kenya was formed by the whole lot and caboodle of Kibaki brigade after Ngilu refused to let go of the original NARC.
All of Kiraitu, Saitoti, Kituyi participated in the formation of Nark Kenya and went out to popularise it, with Kibakis blessings.
On some belated advise, Kibaki changed his mind - about joining it.
Then PNU was cobbled together, less than 4months before the elections.
This annoyed Kituyi and Martha a great deal!!, but they had to eat humble pie and join PNU albeit as a corporate members - via Narc Kenya.
Martha only took over a moribund Narck Kenya after 2007 elections and was elected its chair.

You are well aware that Martha fell out with Kibaki just the other day well into Kibakis 2nd term!

The 2010 referundum was a result of the Annan chaired negotiations, - part of Agenda 4, as agreed at Serena and passed in Parliament- Karua cant purport to take any credit.

Did you say she was silent on Kibakis misdeeds!!

she defended all of them vigorously - as Minister for justice.
Werent you in Kenya!!!!

Remember her interviews on Telly and even on BBC!!

She even oppossed minimal reforms to create a better environment for 2007 elections!
She defended Kibaki's action to unilaterally appoint ECK commissioners in disregard for IPPG.


At serena during the National reconciliation talks, she was the most uncompromising and came out as an unrealistic hardliner.
That is a big setback for someone gunning for President.
You cannot stick too strongly to your opinions - what if you are wrong.

Her temperament is yet another set back.

I recognise that, like everybody else, she has her positive side too.

However, the negatives are too grave for a President aspirant.

What with all the insults she hurled at the Western Countries' Ammbassadors and even our guest Annan during the Serena talks.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#95 Posted : Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:26:04 AM
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@Ngalaka,

I am amazed to find myself whole heartedly agreeing with you. Whenever I think about Martha, the image forming in my head is always of an uncompromising arrogant bi*ch unwilling to entertain any thoughts that she did not originate.

She is tiringly confrontational, disrespectful and certainly should never lead anything.
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#96 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:13:28 AM
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Saw this on Martha Karua facebook wall...

"What are you willing to Step Up for? Is it food security? Is it lower cost of living? Is it addressing unemployment? Is it ending corruption which is linked to all of these? Then join me, today, 2pm National Museum - Jitokezee!"
TAZ
#97 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:22:13 AM
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newfarer wrote:

There is a high likelihood that if Marthar was not in the picture in 2007 , Kibaki would have conceded defeat and PEV would have been avoided or be in smaller scale.



Its quite easy to draw conclusions based on this sort of argument.

Anyway given SKM, RAO, UK, Ruto or Martha....definitely she's by far better off.
nostoppingthis
#98 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:57:35 AM
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@Ngalaka, Applause Applause all contendors have their faults, we choose not to see it, when we believe they are the "best" candidates...
famooz
#99 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:07:07 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
@Ngalaka, Applause Applause all contendors have their faults, we choose not to see it, when we believe they are the "best" candidates...



I believe we see,but accept that hakuna malaika in politics and choose the lesser evil- based on our value system,things that means something to us etc.
To fault Karua for her stance in 2007 in my opinion is pretentious ( that word again!).

I have said it before that to expect that the next administration will be scandal free is to live is utopia. Even the big 'democracies'; who are ever breathing down our necks have their fair share of scandals...........watu watakula,the question will be who will kula without bringing the country to its knees?
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#100 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:35:19 PM
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Someone told me that the government all over the world is a very corrupt institution.
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