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Raila: PEV was Planned & Systematic
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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I think his arguments are valid.when he called for mass action he was not aware of an ethnic cleansing plan hatched by his R.V colleagues. He was used by them to mete their revenge on innocent pple.if you look at where the mass action was predominant those killed were mainly shot by the police but in Rift valley that thing was well planned just as the retaliatory attacks in naivasha limuru and nakuru were. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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selah wrote:I think his arguments are valid.when he called for mass action he was not aware of an ethnic cleansing plan hatched by his R.V colleagues.
He was used by them to mete their revenge on innocent pple.if you look at where the mass action was predominant those killed were mainly shot by the police but in Rift valley that thing was well planned just as the retaliatory attacks in naivasha limuru and nakuru were. ......of course nobody want to see this, Raila was the bad one, Ruto now the good one yet the IDPs cannot access their land and property that were grabbed!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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selah wrote:I think his arguments are valid.when he called for mass action he was not aware of an ethnic cleansing plan hatched by his R.V colleagues.
He was used by them to mete their revenge on innocent pple.if you look at where the mass action was predominant those killed were mainly shot by the police but in Rift valley that thing was well planned just as the retaliatory attacks in naivasha limuru and nakuru were. @selah - 'we' are not talking about the time he called for mass action. RAO has consistently and repeatedly maintained..years after the PEV in 2007/8...that it was spontaneous and not planned. To turn round now 360 degrees is plain dishonest or worse confirmation he was misleading - his cultic followers. NB: Reading this thread, have his cultic followers ALSO NOW changed their minds?! lol
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@Selah, I remember him saying something nasty about the Kiambaa church tragedy.....I hope you don't believe your own lie and even if you did,has the man himself ever come out to apologise after realising that his Lieutenants misled him into killings,looting and mass eviction?...Don't answer that. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Njung'e wrote:@Selah,
I remember him saying something nasty about the Kiambaa church tragedy.....I hope you don't believe your own lie and even if you did,has the man himself ever come out to apologise after realising that his Lieutenants misled him into killings,looting and mass eviction?...Don't answer that. ....there are elements of politics and elements of truth in every situation, then at the height of power struggle with ML, it was all systems go for political reasons!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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Mind you, I didnt say Raila is not a flip flopper I just agreed with his argument that PEV was in R.V preplanned and if anybody has anything or any evidence he was involved in planning those killings he is ready to face the courts. Yes we might reason he is now saying that because he fell out with R.V MPs but he has a right to put the record straight. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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@Selah - You could be missing the point here. The point is that not a long time ago, the PM wanted some young men released from Nakuru jails because they were "only fighting for their democratic rights". He also believed that the Kiambaa church victims were attackers who were only getting what they deserved. http://www.youtube.com/w...mHmU&feature=relmfu
What has necessitated the about turn now? But @McReggae may have accidentally summarized it... McReggae wrote:....there are elements of politics and elements of truth in every situation, then at the height of power struggle with ML, it was all systems go for political reasons!!!! selah wrote:I think his arguments are valid.when he called for mass action he was not aware of an ethnic cleansing plan hatched by his R.V colleagues.
He was used by them to mete their revenge on innocent pple.if you look at where the mass action was predominant those killed were mainly shot by the police but in Rift valley that thing was well planned just as the retaliatory attacks in naivasha limuru and nakuru were. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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What Raila said should not be taken out of context.He said killing 1300 pple require planning and somebody should be held accountable.WHATS WRONG WITH THAT STATEMENT. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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RAILA NOW : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4zDAbloZUY vs RAILA THEN http://www.youtube.com/w...mHmU&feature=relmfu
Try listen not just defend for defends sake. In the latter hardtalk: Martha Karua clearly said: "It was systematic.." Raila Odinga STATES AS A MATTER OF FACT: "Nothing could be further from the truth" Now Raila agrees with Martha Karua?! The truth was farthest from his lie or misinformation. I'm sorry to inform you, this man plainly just engages in lies or misinformation to get to power regardless of the huge negative implications it has for investors in this country.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@Selah, Maybe someone is trying to prempt the repurcussions ODM minutes of Jan and Feb 08 which Ruto handed to LMO and where Kiambaa church attack organising might have been made???? plus a sworn affidavit by Ruto which he handed to LMO during his recent visit??....oh well!!....Not that i like any of this politicians but to be very honest,RAO is just being "clever".. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 262
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So whats the truth of the matter? Isn't use of militias,mungiki or better yet administration police planned and systematic.The PEV had victims from both sides of the divide.Politicians have and will always change their dance to suit the music playing.I believe there were spontaneous pockets of violence but most of it was planned and systematic! Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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hoodrat wrote:So whats the truth of the matter? Isn't use of militias,mungiki or better yet administration police planned and systematic.The PEV had victims from both sides of the divide.Politicians have and will always change their dance to suit the music playing.I believe there were spontaneous pockets of violence but most of it was planned and systematic! True. However you wonder why one of the principals was so quick to deny, deny, deny whilst as the BBC journalist reaction indicates, the info from R.V. was alluding to the obvious. Karua: "There is nothing spontaneous about attacking members of one community" BBC: "Powerful point she is making" Only the guilty are afraid...
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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@Selah - Wacha nijitolee mhanga kukusaidia kidogo  STATEMENT - Truth STATEMENT-MAKER - Inconsistent In other words, the facts have not changed - it is the PM that has moved from propagating fiction to presenting fact. Why? We have just heard it was all systems go for political reasons. Hiyo tu. selah wrote:What Raila said should not be taken out of context.He said killing 1300 pple require planning and somebody should be held accountable.WHATS WRONG WITH THAT STATEMENT.
All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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"it is good he was castrated otherwise, he would have sired very many liers which would be very badn for the country."I take great exception to the words hereinabove and plead with Wazua Administrator to kindly delete the same. Let me point out, however, that I do not hold brief for the Right Honourable Prime Minister.
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