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Marende gives verdict
The General
#141 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:58:00 AM
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@ ecstacy,B. Timer,Mr Tea,Brewer

I insist. What brings yal to the same opinion so strongly.




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The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
Brewer
#142 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:59:00 AM
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obi,am so relieved. i will wait for law and order to triumph. i can now pen off on this one.
Mr.Tea
#143 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:00:00 AM
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When we let loose our emotional selves and fail to let reason prevail,I guess we will keep arriving at incongruent conclusions. That the constitution is supreme and all other laws are inferior to it (including the Accord,that is why it had to be anchored in the Constitution) is a matter of common knowledge to most. Advancing an argument to the contrary can only be interpreted as the height intellectual hypocrisy. Lets also agree here and now that Marende's decision is a transient measure seeking to prevent despondence,fear and acrimony in society which may end up occuring anyway if the big boys sit and do nothing in the meantime. If I am wrong on thisone then surrender is a wise option at this point.

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Patience Pays In Guaranteed Checks.
ecstacy
#144 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:12:00 AM
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I agree...there is 'peace' today let's not 'disturb' that...tomorrow will be a better day or worse as I don't know the referee then when the Principals disagree on anything. Who knows what we'll use to settle major differences? the Constitution? The National Accord? the loudest mouths? the envoys? Koffi Annan? I 'agree'...lets rely on the spirit of teh Raila Odingas of today and Mwai Kibaki's on the day to live and conduct business. 'Screw the laws of the land'.

and we wonder why Agenda 4 has never been tackled? ...
B.Timer
#145 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:57:00 AM
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The rule of law,period.

There is no alternative to the rule of law in civilsed society.
Arguing that decisions are made to placate certain sections of society is defeatist.
Taking that option where do you stop. So from now,ad infinitum rulings should be made after running a barometer around the streets to see what the ignorant layabouts want.

Since thinking is free I try to think which informs the basis upon which I disagree with Marende's position on this matter.
If everybody else took free thinking as an option and took time off to look at the relevant laws they would draw their own informed conclusions as I do.
Those who are happy to sit and wait to be chaperoned around,well it is their choice.
I guess their greatest motivation for slowing their thinking brain cells is that - since the enigma has decided/accepted,you cant dare see it any other way.
For me it doesnt matter what Kibaki,Kalonzo,or any body else thinks.
My brain is not appendaged to theirs.
That is the beauty of mental liberty,something that our brothers and sisters dont enjoy.
One day they shall overcome,or so we hope.

B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
The General
#146 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:58:00 AM
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@ ecstacy,Brewer,Mr Tea,

So in summation,you are telling us that there are no details that can be made available to you that would make you change your opinion on The Speakers ruling?

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B.Timer
#147 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:06:00 AM
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Give me those details.
If they are sensible I will change my position here and now.

B.timer
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The General
#148 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:22:00 AM
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Have you engaged a legal team,like he has,to hear other perspectives to the scenario?



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B.Timer
#149 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:37:00 AM
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Were there other perspectives other than what he read out for about an hour,which pointed to the right position anyway.
You see when you deliver a ruling you give out all the background details from which you drew your conclusion.

B.timer
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#150 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:40:00 AM
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@B.Timer,

It is possible that you can interpret the law better than all those people I listed in my post below,but,whta are the chances; 1 in 1million? or 1 in 10,000 even 1 in 100 is still very remote.

It is also possible that the entire group I listed are part of a conspiracy to deny kenya the rule of law,but again,the odds are razor thin.

This misrule of law that you keep talking on about here is in your mind.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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The General
#151 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:59:00 AM
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@ Obi,mimi nime enda ku ota jua,don't give up on him/her

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The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
McReggae
#152 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:02:00 AM
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Obi,

on point,probably B.Timer needs to be our AG now that he is the guru of the rule of law huh!!!

Some people have never recognized nor realized that we have the National Acord!!!



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B.Timer
#153 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:09:00 AM
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Probably so.
However I still hold to my position.

I am not sure though,that all those people agree that Marende interpreted the law correctly.
Most seem to applaud him on account of having managed to deflate the balloon of tension that had grown.

He even alluded to it himself,- that it would be unwise to take the route the law leans on!!. Rather he chose to go by what he called the reality of the time.

I dont know if in UK or USA for that matter,they side step the law to feed the prevailng public mood.

B.timer
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Fundaah
#154 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:21:00 AM
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Kalonzo.....oops B.Timer kiongozi kutoka mashariki,power corrupts,absolute power corrupts absolutely. Do not be too concerned about positions be concerned of the people who elected you in Eastern province.

They need boreholes,big dams to irrigate their farms .Right now food is required there like yesterday...Forget about national politics for now .. ........do what is supposed to be done and the Kingdom of statehouse will automatically come to you. Makosa ilifanyika( 2008) lakini you can be forgiven.

I wish your success would be measured by the number of boreholes or dams you construct...that would be real .....not the position you held in government ...or parliament

Thanks,

(incase you are not Kalonzo I know you have access to him tell him that )



I mean fundamental analysis,you get me? Fundamental analysis of a business involves analyzing its financial statements and health,its management and competitive advantages,and its competitors
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The General
#155 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:27:00 AM
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the way you are being washwad is the same way others were washwad in 08....

hata kama kuwashwa ni muhimu :) now,it cant get clearer that we need reforms..


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The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
B.Timer
#156 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:38:00 AM
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When guys hit their wits end,they start throwing mud all over.
This is about considered opinion by informed bloggers.

Evaluate your position.

Reforms is about amending laws in line with peoples aspirations and changing dynamics.
Question is will anybody adhere to those laws. Do you have a duty to demand that public office holders respect the law.
If they dont,then why bother doing the reforms.

We must develop a culture of obeying the law.

B.timer
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kenn
#157 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:06:00 PM
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I strongly support the ruling though it was a temporary reprieve but for different reasons ! Why do you think ODM wanted to chair the HBC ? I would rather dwell on the future than on the past ! My take is that MK has been using Kalonzo and Kilonzo to suppress reforms in parliament by sweeping under the carpet popular motions which are geared towards changes yet the PNU fraternity wants the status quo rightly or wrongly thinking that things will favour them if they remain the way they are ! My take is that they are repugnant to reforms. But deep inside i seriously think that PNU would have been pushing for reforms like yesterday because i would hate to have RAO,Ruto,Kalonzo,Karua,as a President with the current powers and privileges ! I think we have all seen some flashes of the worst sides of all these guys ! It would be suicidal for some people,if they have been deemed to have had their unfair share of the national cake since independence and under the new dispensation,the winner eats all constitution is still in place ! Guys lets be honest and open with ourselves because if we are not,we shall be forced by circumstances to be,sooner or not so later ! We need reforms and constant changes in our government,period !
Fundaah
#158 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:16:00 PM
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Kalonzo.......B.timer. I might have brought up an irrelevant issue to you ... It may appear as if i'm throwing mud at you,but that is the really on the ground if they don't tell you.

I mean fundamental analysis,you get me? Fundamental analysis of a business involves analyzing its financial statements and health,its management and competitive advantages,and its competitors
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The General
#159 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:35:00 PM
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@ Kenn,

You are worried that the powers could land in the hands of the following.

Rao,Ruto,Kalonzo,Karua

Is the above order worst to worse?

Are you currently worried,with the powers in the hands of President Kibaki?

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#160 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:40:00 PM
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@Kenn,I completely agree with you on the need for reforms.

I don't think anyone (even Obama) would make a good president with our current laws.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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