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Marende gives verdict
stockyt
#131 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:26:00 PM
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Ok. Marende certainly added/or temporaririlydeducted? his share to our serious governance confusion. And by the way how is the expected 'consulted' letter to him supposed to read- 'we........' or signed by the two.

If the two dont agree,does he have room to backtrack.

And can someone in the know please tell me how decisions are made in the HBC incase there is no consensus,is it by vote? in which case Odm has 11 pnu 10. I think this may just be scene 1 of the serious/fatal drama we are up for.
Kaffir
#132 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:38:00 PM
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How life turns full circle. Its interesting that the ones shouting 15 months ago 'go to court if you feel aggreived' knowing how useless that would be are now facing the same situation.
But,the most interesting implications of the ruling,in my view,are the deathbells of the imperial presidency. Now,no one in Kenya will in future talk like (s)he is god,and their word and the law are one.
Brewer
#133 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:06:00 AM
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Kaffir,you are wrong about going to court- somebody is already there and i think it is necessary to have a court interpretation of the constitution and the accord regardless of the marende fiasco. It is another issue how the judiciary will interpret it but we must institutionalise dispute resolution,rather than sorting it out in the streets,or railway lines for that matter.

You are also wrong about the end of the imperial presidency. The accord and the law thereon is fickle and temporary- was it 3 years? UNLESS reform is undertaken in those three years we are back to the imperial presidency,which our politicians still find very attractive.
McReggae
#134 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:44:00 AM
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Brewer,so according to you the president is equal to the government........come on,why then do we have the two references man!!!!

What constitutes the current Kenyan govt. tell me!!!!!


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B.Timer
#135 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:38:00 AM
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Now someone wants to say for us what he assumes we wanted to say!
People here are capable of saying what they want to say,in the manner they want to say it,without the unsolicited help of the greatest self-styled 'mind readers'.

Did Marende rule decisively,in the sense of settling the matter once and for all. He merely skirted around the issue,as he appointed himself - caretaker chair,pending advise after the decision is made elsewhere.
That is cowardice.
Sometimes one has to make some tough choices.

For the benefit of certain chaps in denial,the Accord stipulates that govt/cabinet shall consist of The President,The VP,The PM,the two Deputy PMs and other Ministers.
This is repeated several times in the Accord.
Note the order,and deduce for yourself.

The constitution asserts unequivocally that the executive power of the govt shall vest in the presidency.
The accord futher directs that the duties of the PM shall be supervision and coordination of govt operations,and any other duty that the President may assign him.


Doesnt that make it all too clear.
Such intellectual dishonesty is the stuff that precipitates breakdown of order.

B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
ecstacy
#136 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:13:00 AM
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True. The Constitution is very clear on this even to these ODM MPs save for their fanatical or ignorant supporters here on SK. Their bone of contention is what effect the National Accord has on what the constitution clearly stipulates. You only need to read the National Accord to realise how dishonest the ODM position is. It has nothing to do with the interests of Wanjiku.
sukuma
#137 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:21:00 AM
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@Btimer$like minded
Did Marende rule decisively,in the sense of settling the matter once and for all. He merely skirted around the issue,as he appointed himself - caretaker chair,pending advise after the decision is made elsewhere.That is cowardice.

Honestly you make make me sick with such utterances,in your mind was Koffi Annan's intervention for power sharing an act of cowardice for him failing to stick to ECK pronouncement of Kibaki's win?.It would have been very easy for him to declare that the constitution asserts so,but he chose otherwise,did you care to find out why?Timer things are not the same again.Marende spoke for the masses,you stand for a few,if Marende upheld Kibaki's usual unilateral decision things would be different know,how else can we proclaim where we are heading to if we can't remember where we came from?

sk lady
B.Timer
#138 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:24:00 AM
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Na jana niliuliza swali.

In the event of an MP petitioning the Speaker on account of some beef he/she has with the HBC decisions and/orconduct,would he be in any position to play neutral and honest adjudicator.

Remember the age old maxim of not being a judge in our own case.
Hii ni catch 22.

Wadadisi wa mambo niambieni,vipi hapo,iko utata.

B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
Brewer
#139 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:37:00 AM
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Mcreggae- your question asked and answered.

@ sukuma- we know just too well where we are coming from- it's called lawlessness and impunity. This notion that the louder one shouts the more right they may be is our undoing. A long prose written in high sounding and pain-relieving version will not make the marende decision correct. neither will the sanctimonious and patronising praise by the well meaning koffi annan and the foreign dignitaries. by disregarding and twisting clear provisions of the law to feed the whims of power mongers we are growing a monster that will devour kenya.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#140 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:48:00 AM
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@B.Timer &Co.

This ruling by Marende has been stress tested in the court of public opinion and passed as excellent.

ODM think it was fair,the LSK think it was good,Koffi Annan and the .group of eminent persons' wrote to say it was good,the foreighn missions held a press conference to support it,individual constitutional lawyers have come out and stated that it is within the law,kenyans on the street are happy and just want the business of parliament to not be affected by the wrangles in the executive,even your beloved Martha Karua who co-wrote the accord for MK said it was a good ruling.

So tell me,on what basis do you keep arguing against it. Move on man this battle is lost,fight another day,MK might still manage to place Kalooser as the HBC chairman. Just wait,then you can come and celebrate the triumph of law and order as per your definition.



I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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