What have u said?

Withdrawal from the ICC is bad for Africa. Lets face it is an unfair court, Ocampo is an excited quack but it scares away potential warlorlds! Impunity has reigned big time all over the 3rd world. All one needed to do after killing scores of people and being deposed from power was to seek asylum in a friendly country and live peacefully thereafter. Does anyone remember Idi Amin of Uganda?-after being deposed he fled to Saudi Arabia where he lived comfortably. Mengistu Haile Mariam of Ethiopia-in his rule, once your relative was executed, you would pay the govt for wastage of bullets! He is alive and comfortable, being protected by Mugabe. Nothing was done to them despite their heinous crimes. Let the ICC stay. Whetheq or not its good for Kenya ni mambo ingine

So this is what happens every election cycle.

I've been looking at the posts about this ICC thing and its interesting to note that its gone tribal.

Very sad indeed.

My view is simple.

If anyone was involved in any of the shenanigans of 2007 they should go and tetea themselves there. Not set up matatu meetings to say how evil the ICC is to "africans".

If you don't want to go there, then set up a viable option to prosecute the same and more people involved. Even Simonkabz doesn't believe this will ever happen.

For as long as I will see IDP camps and Mau forest evictees living in the cold, I will support any process to bring even a modicum of payback. If it touches on your "king", I am sorry but you should probably make better choices with your leaders.

In the meantime, the clock is still ticking and yes some people will become "washtakiwa" come November. Even if you run the silliest social media campaign I have ever seen in my life.

This debate about the merits of ICC would make alot of sense if we had a viable credible court right here in Kenya to compare with(like a functioning judiciary, or an international standard tribunal). Unfortunately right now that option is not on the table and chances are it will not be in awhile.

Hate them or not, the west have credible systems in place, thats why Tony Blair has been going into and out of inquiries to explain his part in Iraq Invasion. The US has a very tested and tried justice system.

As soon as we get our own comparable systems in place, I suggest we accept the crumbs from the Mzungu table, same way we accept cash aid and used clothes and tired ideas and washed up expats.

For me , knowing Kenya well , I would support the Hague option , whether Kibaki or RAO was in the list or not.
Justice to the IDPs and those whose airports were sealed with superglue, and pinetrees were cruelly cut.

Nothing will happen in a local tribunal .It has not happened 3 years down the line , it will not happen locally 100years down the line .

If RAO or Kibs goes to Hague , the plates in my kitchen will remain the same.

Taz, therein lies my issue with this amateurish social media campaign on Wazua.

Pls give us facts and not innuendo. Just because you support one of the 6 coz of his tribe does not mean that every other Kenyan is for or against because of tribe.

Kama wewe una ukabila, usiniingize kwa shida zako.

You should concentrate more on helping your kings avoid Ocampos claws.

Thus far, everything he has promised he would do has come to fruition including the time lines.

Let me quote something to you.



In other words, and I will spell this out to you like a 6 yr old. This deferal joke will not even be mentioned in the UNSC.

Quoting that ugandan guy who has a permanent seat on jeff koinanges bench as an authority on anything ocampo is rather not wise.

He has been wrong about everything on that bench.

Now he says Africa will quit.

I will put this straight to you. Even Muamar Gadafi has not moved out of the ICC.

No African country will move out, today, tommorow or ever!

Even if each and every human being in the world decided to sign a petition today to support this madness, the Ocampo 6 will not be helped in anyway.

Those are just the facts so deal with them.

By the way, I would be very wary of coming up with such ideas before those guys have gone to the Hague and come back safe. It is not beyond imagination that new arrest warrants are made because of such silly posts.

Lets talk Thursday then April 7th.

Then November 15th 2011.

I will abstain from further comment on this topic on wazua and as a voter I will use my veto vote to ensure every dying voice in 2007 is heard.

In different words:
That we had / have two imperfect options – the ICC & our courts
Faced with the choice, you can dismiss both (clearly not viable since it means no one is brought to book) OR
do the rational thing and choose the system that is more likely to work, no matter how imperfect.

So the argument shouldnt go: The ICC is bad, lets not use it. It should be that our courts will produce better results than ICC. Do you believe that?

This is a glaring error in Journalism.According to the rules & Procedures of the International Diplomacy,UN SC cannot,have never and will never summon a sitting head of state to appear before the council.The UN SC is not a prefect of States.What happens there is mere politics just like our ODM AND PNU staff.The only difference being that ours is national and the UN SCs is International.

Ahem! My name all over the posts, kwani mnataka niende hague? I shall repeat, the real culprits roam free....