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Marende gives verdict
McReggae
#121 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:18:00 PM
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Who can clearly state the law that Marende failed to follow!!!.....Listening to him yesterday I think I heard him clearly explain through the law the reasons for his decision!!!


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#122 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:21:00 PM
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Mc reggae,I also thought that the ruling was done with the help of parliamentary counsel so there was thorough reference to the existing statutes.


I mean fundamental analysis,you get me?

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Mr.Tea
#123 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:27:00 PM
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@The General,

You know what the say about great minds....anyway just kidding.Now flagrant disregard for the rule of law is inexcusable in any civilized society.I hear they call this impunity. Like all those before me underscored...when and where do we stop with this.

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Brewer
#124 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:29:00 PM
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Mcreggae- that government means the executive and that under the constitution the President is the head of state and government- the accord did not change that- an therefore a communication by government to parliament ultimately lies in the president nasio mtu mwingine kama muthaura.

Ngalaka valid point. though outrage is the best education the citizenry can give their leadership lakini msing'oe reli. keep it decent and legal.
B.Timer
#125 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:50:00 PM
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At some point one or a number of MPs may feel aggrieved with either the way the HBC has handled its business or some other matter emanating from their decisions.
Ordinarily,in such circumstances the Speaker is a neutral and honest arbitrator.

In this new and murky scheme of things,the speaker has unwittingly turned himself from a neutral abitrator to a player.

In such a situation would he rule against a HBC whose sittings he chaired. Comical to say the least.
The long and short of this situation is that even if the speaker were to try against all odds to deliver a fair and just ruling,it would never be seen to be so.

Remember the mantra about not only doing justice but also ensuring that you are seen/perceived to do it.

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#126 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:18:00 PM
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@254,ecstacy,$moothie,Mr. Tea,B.Timer

You insist that Marende should have followed the law,but what you are in reality saying is that he should have done as the president wanted and confirmed 8% as the HBC chairman.

If you all are such strong believers of the rule of the law,then why don't you clap and cheer for him coz as it is,he has broken no law,nor gone against the constitution. Disobeying the president does not amount to breaking a law.

Furthermore,since you are all such proponents of the rule of law,why don't you now take the issue to the courts and let the courts decide as you are so fond of harping on here.

And finally,just call a spade a spade,if you think he should have ruled in favour of 8% then come up and say so,speak your minds,we are all big boys/girls.


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ecstacy
#127 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:28:00 PM
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@Obi,try civilisation for once. It's based on rule of law.
Brewer
#128 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:47:00 PM
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We know Kalonzo is a serious contender for presidency come next elections but must one fit him in this debate by whatever means? Some people can say anything.
Liv
#129 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:16:00 PM
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In my opinion though Marende's ruling saved the day he just made the problem more complex. There are 2 questions that need to be answered

1) How will the president take this ruling? If he takes it negatively and assumed that the speaker illegally interfered with his powers,he may decide not to cooperate with ODM... suppose he does not consult ODM in other appoitments what will happen?

2) The leader of Govt business in parliament is not directly mentioned in the constitution and the national accord. This is the reason the speaker had the liberty to make the ruling as he did. PNU can interpret that for all other appointments provided for in law,there will be no need for consultations. How will this be sorted out?

Marende just managed to postpone the problem. If I were him I would have ensured the 2 guys meet and come up with one name... even if it means getting Kofi Anan here again or using the international community.
mkenyan
#130 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:17:00 PM
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Been lurking around. And got to agree with Obi - the guys who keep on whining about Marende not following the law should really come out and say what they truly mean by that instead of hiding behind such predictable sound bites.

If any body paid attention to the proceedings in Parliament then it was clear that both sides came out and used the law to support their positions. I make reference to that to point to one thing - that the law can be construed in different ways. The law is an Ass.

Marende in his Ruling went into details on the various Statutes,the Standing Order and the Consitution. He then went on and made his decision. One thing that most seem not to mention is that Section 3 (I think) is the part of the Constitution that expressly state the Supremacy of the Constitution and that the said section expressly provided that any Act of Parliament that is made pursuant to Section 15 (I think) shall not be subject to that section. That Act is the NARA and the Constitution itself says that it can be inconsistent with it and still be law. In effect the Act is at par with the constitution.

Now at the end of it all he did made a Ruling based on his construing of the law. Several lawyers agree with him. Several lawyers do not. It happens in Courts all over the world that the decision by a judge or magistrate has to go one way out of several possible.

So,like the decision or not,one thing is clear - MARENDE DID NOTHING ILLEGAL and contrary to some popular believe here HE APPLIED THE LAW. According to Tea and company he may not have given a decision on what they felt the law - according to them- but that does not mean that we can objectively state that he failed to apply the law.

Those not satiffied can indeed go to court but it should be kept in mind that the court really has no power to order the Parliament on its procedure. Nyamu J (as he then was) tried it and embarassed the judiciary when his injunctive orders were rightfully ignored by the Parliament.

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