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Marende gives verdict
Mr.Tea
#91 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:35:00 AM
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@ Bareta,

Prof Mwanzia (sp) at the height of YK92 sought to correct an extreme view widely held within the group which was that anyone who opposed or held a different standpoint from the one the group was propagating was hellbent on unleashing chaos or mad. Such generalities as the one you hold only generate much heat and little light.The fact that Marende's decision was actually 'indecision'. to pacify quaralling factions does not prevent others from seeing this as gainworthy and one that warrants a public holiday of saintly nature. The wisdom of this'indecision' can only be measured in the breadth of time.

Patience Pays in Guaranteed Checks
Patience Pays In Guaranteed Checks.
B.Timer
#92 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:48:00 AM
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@Sly kat
Dont allow yourself to be whiped into place. Let goatherds go find some Ungulates to herd and collect them together under tethers.
Think independently as you demonstrated in this thread. Of course you've seen for yourself that when you dare think so you are branded bla bla bla....
Dont you find it funny.
Any lessons to be learnt thereof???


Marende was too shy to decide.
Of course that helped bring down the unnecessary tensions that had built.
However in his long preamble,he suggested who ultimately Govt. is,- i.e where the buck stops. But probably in order to placate his benefactor for the post he holds,he surreptiously opted to bury his head in the sand and avoid making the lawful decision.

I am not sure face-saving for certain people is part of his brief as Speaker of National Assembly.
In essence he only deffered the matter,as opposed to dispensing with it conclusively.

Great statesmen are bold and courageous enough to make the right and longterm decision that may appear unpopular at the time but wait for time to vindicate them.

Implications?
Only relevant in the house and for the house only.
Marende postulated that the matter was only covered by the standing orders for the house,and no where else in law.
The courts only can interpret the Constitution and other laws for general consumption/use.
Raila managed to spite Kibaki this time.
Suppose Kibaki also chose to make him feel his weight too!!!!!
Kibaki can call back the out riders,
He can assign him a lower cadre Merc,e.g C200.
He can down grade his guards.
etc
Lesson,dont start a war you can never win.
Of course Railas last resort is Mass action.
The Somali Pirates also operate on loosely the same terms.

B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
Bareta
#93 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:08:00 AM
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Bwana Chai,I hope you have acres of tea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do respect your opinion as I do to all other contributors to this site and anyone else. This however does not mean that I'm estopped from holding a divergent position. This is my democratic right which I'm not willing to forfeit.

Having said that,we all here have to admit that this country needs change,urgent reforms,and strong leadership more than ever before. MK has failed to lead. Kenya is going in the wrong direction,and going there pretty fast but the driver has closed his eyes! Not that I hate the individual but rather his style of leadership (or lack thereof).

If it is necessary to take control of the House to speed up reforms,and that Marende's decission will usher into this,so be it!

And if you feel pained by this move maybe because it distorts the balance of power or alters the status quo,sorry but that's life.

There are Kenyans from all walks of life who want to see change in this country; change they can touch,feel and identify with. Such people will continue to relentlessly fight for that change.

Not that RAO is perfect. He has had his fair share of gaffes but he always talks his ways out and people can clearly see the direction he is going to.


Chief
The General
#94 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:27:00 AM
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@ B Timer,

are you a leader somewhere?

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
B.Timer
#95 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:40:00 AM
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@General

Niw'o,Kuya wumiloni wa sua.

B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
The General
#96 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:51:00 AM
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translation?

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
Fundaah
#97 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:55:00 AM
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@ general =&gt; B.Timer 's translation: yes,in eastern province i.e from Kalonzo's stronghold,no wonder.Kalonzo in the house?

I mean fundamental analysis,you get me? Fundamental analysis of a business involves analyzing its financial statements and health,its management and competitive advantages,and its competitors
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
The General
#98 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59:00 AM
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You will live and you will learn

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
B.Timer
#99 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:02:00 AM
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@General,

Easy buddy.

Just a commentator plain and simple.
Lakini tutakubaliana sote kwamba mambo mengine hata hayaijaji mtu awe Nuerosurgeon kuya-comprehend.

Mimi kwisha sirika sana kuona mtu ingine nakataa kufungua macho,ama ni bongo. Na si yule mnyama.
That was for easing nerves.

Cheers.

B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
Mr.Tea
#100 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:14:00 AM
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By not declaring Raila or Kalonzo leader and chairman of HBC,Mr. Marende has proved that he is a leader cut from the same cloth as the principals.He has also refused to rise above parochial interests and shown himself as one held captive by powers that span him to the heights from which he is about to fall with a great thud. Just a matter of time.

Patience Pays in Guaranteed Checks
Patience Pays In Guaranteed Checks.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#101 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:32:00 AM
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@Mr Tea.

Ease of the speaker,he could have tucked his tail and picked Mr. 8% and hid behind the simplistic interpretation of the law that Mutula and other 1eyed PNU lawyers love,but he didn't.

Instead he made a ruling that basically will force MK and RAO to also think outside the box.

Isn't it fantastic that the excessive powers of the presidency are being chipped,at this rate,we may soon have a real democracy.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Mr.Tea
#102 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:43:00 AM
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@Obi
What peeves me is that fact that I thought that we had a different kind of leader in the person of Mr.Marende only for him to fall so short. It would have been more plausible if he had been decisive enough much to the chagrin of either party.. and erred..after all error is to human.To me.. thats a mark of a leader.

Patience Pays in Guaranteed Checks
Patience Pays In Guaranteed Checks.
Brewer
#103 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:47:00 AM
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Bareta,fear not expressing your opinion because if it is yours it should be safe.

Now that thing about raila knowing his direction- did he not want the leader of government business position because he said it is his? Marende said no and raila celebrates! he should have said the truth- 'all i want is to stop kalonzo taking it because it may make him appear bigger than me' or said the right thing- 'this coalition is nonsensical so we should convene parliament to pass necessary laws to enable fresh elections' rather than holding the whole country ransom in power games.
Njunge
#104 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:08:00 AM
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@Mr.Tea,

To break the impasse and make a ruling favouring either of the candidate,Mr. Marende would have been forced to make an interpretation of either the accord and the constitution or both.We all know that this is outside his jurisdiction and that such a move can only be undertaken by a constitutional court...........It is therefore safe to say he did his best within the confines of the standing orders.......In my opinion,he did an exemplary job with those limited powers.......let as give the devil his due.


Guka wa bijuti...
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Charley
#105 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:23:00 AM
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Excellent news. There is hope yet for Kenya. Marendes give Kenya a lifeline.

@Brewer and other such brothers/sisters. Let me keep this parsimonious. I will leave out the names of the individuals (which I will assume to be inconsequential) and refer only to the institutions. Arising from grave recent events,Kenya got into a unique National Accord to literally save the counrty. Two Principals were created (and all Kenyans seem to agree to that). Now that simply means we have two equal leaders. Equal in powers; equal in status; equal in salary and yes,equal in toilets. That is the principle. In reality one principal is however is using all sorts of tricks to be the major principal and diminish the other to a minor principal. Results - fragmentation of the country. Excellent decision by Marende. Indeed,the only good news we have had in a long while. A return to the spirit (note spirit and not necessarily the interpretation and legal tricks thereof) of the accord is necessary.
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