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International Evidence Rules to fry Hague Six.
newfarer
#11 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:02:38 PM
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Charles Taylor didnt participate directly in the amputing of limbs of innocent people in Liberia.He is roasting in Haki because he financed the people on the ground .Watu wakwende Heki.So no one will ever think of dishing cash to brainwashed (therefore brainless)unemployed youth to commit atrocities to innocent Kenyans Ever again
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sanity
#12 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 3:06:50 PM
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Anybody with a link to the article??
Hope is not a strategy
2 Miles
#13 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 3:14:50 PM
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When you have a mass following , there is something called political responsibility. You don't have to murder or rape some1. You even don't have to give express instructions. But should your followers particpate in such actions, you are CRIMINALLY responsible. Idea is , you are in charge of your followers and their behaviour. No one else is better placed to control them than you. You can influence their behaviour. Mahtma Gandhi, just as an example , was able to convince his followers to accept non-violence means to achieve their objectives.

The same even happens in football matches , especially in Europe. When fans become rowdy - misbehave, even though the actual culprits are pursued , it is the club , which they which they support , which is heavily fined.
Jump-steady
#14 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 3:37:06 PM
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@2miles, still you've not answered @SimonKibz question of whether the wrong people are being persecuted.

As you rightly put it, Tylor is there for not necessarily being the rapist but because he has a following. Therefore then, why not take MK & RAO since they could be having a bigger following than even the O6. If Ruto knew that he had such a big following he would have gunned for the top seat!
kadonye
#15 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 3:45:04 PM
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@2 miles, nice flow of argument but it leads us to the line fronted by @impunity and others: Kibaki and Raila should have faced ICC and they bore greatest responsibility. According to Ocampo, the war was between ODM and PNU supporters(read Raila and Kibaki supporters), not tribes.

I refuse to buy it.
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
newfarer
#16 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 3:46:09 PM
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Jump-steady wrote:
@2miles, still you've not answered @SimonKibz question of whether the wrong people are being persecuted.

As you rightly put it, Tylor is there for not necessarily being the rapist but because he has a following. Therefore then, why not take MK & RAO since they could be having a bigger following than even the O6. If Ruto knew that he had such a big following he would have gunned for the top seat!


I have a feeling that the day for RAO and MK is coming .
They are just waiting for MK to retire next year to put him in the list .

As for RAO , they may put some damning evidence against him when the proceedings start and there he goes.

Na RAO alisema watu waende heki hata yeye akiitwa ataenda tu.
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2 Miles
#17 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 4:14:47 PM
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Guys...lets be realistic. In Kenyan politics, especially in the rural masses.......it is the decisions of local leaders which influences how the majority vote. That is, if I am a very influential Maasai pastor , my political opinion , is taken as gospel truth by my Maasai flock. So , if I support person Y for presidency, my followers will also support person Y. And even though person Y doesn't make it , they still owe allegiance to me. So, if there is a probability that they will resort to violence , who is better placed to control them???? If they actually do resort to violence, who is best placed to control them???? If they resort to violence , who is likely to escalate it???? Well, its me ( the Maasai pastor ) and not person Y , who was the presidential contender.

Same script applies here.
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