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Marende gives verdict
Obi 1 Kanobi
#61 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:12:00 PM
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I don't understand why people are saying PNU has been shafted. Its almost like PNU getting the seat was a foregone conclusion.

For me,all I see is a stalemate,you can expect Kamau Kuria,Kibe Mungai and other PNU lawyers to file a suit immediately chalanging the speakers ruling while MK will sit back and hope the courts clean up his mess now that the speaker has refused to do this.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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slykat
#62 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:23:00 PM
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The question is,can a referee appoint a captain for a team that is unable to appoint one by itself? Maybe. Can a referee appoint himself such a captain? NOOOO!

The speaker's decision is illegal,period. The law does not confer on him powers to appoint himself chair of hbc. Interim or otherwise. A speaker is a referee in parliament; he thus cannot be the captain of a team in the match.

What every lawyer would have told you is that parliament is supreme,meaning it is superior to the executive. Given the executive's gridlock,it behoves parliament to lead. Of course,it can be successfully argued that the speaker's decision is parliaments' decision since parliament asked him to decide. But still,he could not choose someone else coz he knows he has no such powers - so he chose himself - hiding behind the term interim.

Legally,it would have been more legitimate to ask parliament to elect the HBC chair. After all,the supremacy of parliament cannot be questioned by the courts! But the speaker can have his decision questioned by the executive in a constitutional court on the legal premise that he cannot himself chair HBC.

Yenyewe,am admiring Marende. He has pulled a first in Kenya's history; he has effectively exercised powers of the legislature and of the executive - which he doesn't have - in one stroke of a pen to appoint himself. It looks like anyone can raid Kiguoya's turf - take anything,even Migingo but not the only wife and kids.

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BAAK
#63 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:41:00 PM
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Does Marende have a proper think-tank&hellip;He has messed himself with this verdict&hellip;and can no longer be trusted&hellip;. Why not even pass the buck to AG wako&hellip;AS GVT LEGAL ADVISOR...to explain to parliament on who between the PM and VP should take the post&hellip;.if speaker is chair,or if there is no chair of HBC,this is against the law&hellip;.and whatever business they transact,I MEAN whatever business CAN BE declared null and void by a constitutional court any time&hellip;.
And1589
#64 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:44:00 PM
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We have another 'kalooser' in SK aka Tmatekwa.
What were your expectations?

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McReggae
#65 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:46:00 PM
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Marende made a phone cal to Rao jana

Marende: captain wat do I do tomorrow

Rao: Make sure the seat remains with ODM even if it means you taking it.....

Hesabu rahisi kweli!!!!


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slykat
#66 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:49:00 PM
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@BAAK

Whereas the courts can declare an Act of parl. unconstitutional based on the content of the Act itself,my understanding is that the courts cannot question the legitimacy of parliament's actions on technicalities other than outright disregard of the constitution.

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BAAK
#67 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:59:00 PM
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The court has powers interpret the constitution; parliament makes laws and cannot give a legal interpretation. In Marende&rsquo;s ODM mind,the courts have no powers to interpret the constitution in cases involving the legislature&hellip;.
tmatekwa
#68 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:09:00 PM
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Wee Andy. Punguza ma bangi zakutoka nyamira.

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ecstacy
#69 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:10:00 PM
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This was a legal no brainer. Hon (or not) Marende has lost credibility as speaker.
B.Timer
#70 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:26:00 PM
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@ Obi
I am trying to get you the link but this thing cant seem to stop playing games with me.
@All any body who has the link may post it here to share with compatriots.


On a different note;

Marende gave us a stop gap measure,a veritable breather for the moment.

It is not over,unfortunately.
Again Marende ruled only on the chair of HBC.
I guess matter of the leader of govt business in the house remains unabated,or did he touch on that too.

All in all

Kibaki may feel slighted on account of his Executive powers being brought to question.
One of the options to clear this issue is to get a constitutional Court to give a constitutional interpretation as to who is CEO or if that position is shared btn himself and anybody else,as asserted by some Mps and the implication of Speakers ruling.
Of course as said earlier Kibaki may play the trump card,'the last resort'.
There are implications for this move,may be dire - I dont know,definitely good for ego,but sure disaster for business.

PS
The views I post here are not necessarily what I wish to see happen,rather,I only seek to commentate of the likely ways this matter may play itself out.
Otherwise I am fo peace guys.
I also advocate for the rule of law,regardless of who that may rub the wrong way,or who the correct interpretation of the law may end up benefiting in the scheme of things.

B.timer
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Brewer
#71 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:30:00 PM
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When we decide to put aside some law to suit our convenience,however justified,we will never know when to stop. It started with 'we will not challenge the results announced by ECK in court.........'. I hate to be a prophet of doom,but i think the plot is thickening.
Brewer
#72 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:32:00 PM
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When we decide to put aside some law to suit our convenience,however justified,we will never know when to stop. It started with 'we will not challenge the results announced by ECK in court.........'. I hate to be a prophet of doom,but i think the plot is thickening.
Brewer
#73 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:34:00 PM
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When we decide to put aside some law to suit our convenience,however justified,we will never know when to stop. It started with 'we will not challenge the results announced by ECK in court.........'. I hate to be a prophet of doom,but i think the plot is thickening.
ecstacy
#74 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:45:00 PM
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On this issue,President Kibaki is not equal to Prime Minister Raila..neither is his deputy by Raila's own admission...If Marende upheld the law,what is the worst that would have happened? This country is holding off making too many hard decisions from Mau to this HBC. We need to bite the bullets and move on to more useful nation building activities.
Mali
#75 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:15:00 PM
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legal or illegal... I have another day to strategise with Ledama Olekina!!!

if the incompetent and the reckless compete,the result is a disaster.. MN
karimijkk
#76 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:22:00 PM
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Being leader of HBC was vp's only role. Hes now just another minister
slykat
#77 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:30:00 PM
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@Obi1

Differing with Marende doen't make me PNU! Mimi ni ODM kabisa. PNU is the last thing I would ever associate with. Of course,am secretly happy for the loaded message Marende is passing to PNU.

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stockyt
#78 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:13:00 PM
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Well,a a critical decision delayed is better or not? Me think it can go either way. but eventually you have to make it,and in the interim other factors,accidental or otherwise can make the decision easier later.

However,purely from his positioon to interpret who govt is,I think ODM came out winners this first round.
Mainat
#79 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:12:00 AM
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Two questions:
Has his decision resolved the issue at hand? No.
Are Kenyans winners from his decision? No.

It was an opportunity missed in terms of introducing a new way of resolving any conflicts in the coalition especially around appointments. A coalition is a consensus form of govt such that every appointment should have both heads' signatures. But since Gen Kiguoya fears consultation,every app he makes without RAO's signature should go to bunge. Going fwd,any appointments for parastatal heads,PS,diplomats should be done through the relevant parliament committee.



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Vickey Tah
#80 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:32:00 AM
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Nairobi Star indicates that Kofi Annan made a phone call to the two principals to solve the impasse....but ODM seems to have go its message through to the other side.....CONSULTATIONS NI LAZIMA! :) even if it has to be done through the speaker.

Mgema akisifiwa,itabidi umezidiwa....
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