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O6 and violence theory - what's your take?
livie
#1 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:14:28 PM
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Kenya wants the cases facing the Ocampo Six postponed because the trials may lock out Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto from the 2012 presidential race, triggering fresh violence.

In separate letters to the United Nations Security Council and the Assembly of State Parties to the Rome Statute, Kenya says two of the six suspected masterminds of the post-election violence are front-runners in the Kibaki succession race and their prosecution in the run-up to the 2012 election may cause renewed violence.Pray
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Njung'e
#2 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:37:03 PM
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Huu ni ujinga and i can't help but sympathize with the idiot who thinks this way.....Who said Kenya is UK or WR?!!....Must they be in the next ballot papers??...Someone must be reminded that this country is made up of more than 35 Million Kenyans who are all equal before the law and God..... and that in the absence of this two,hakuna mbwa atakufa...BK!
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livie
#3 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2011 7:31:23 PM
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@njunge - well said!
If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
Jus Blazin
#4 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:08:43 PM
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Maybe someone is planning something then come 2012 they say, we told you so...
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
For Sport
#5 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:48:20 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
Maybe someone is planning something then come 2012 they say, we told you so...


Possible. Gives me the shivers thinking about all those unaccounted for weapons – cant remember us disarming anyone after ’07.

This is warped...so anyone can organize for people to fight each other, loot, rape, kill etc and run for President tp prevent prosecution...

2007 was just the other day. We havent forgotten. 2012 is uncomfortably close.
Liv
#6 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:42:37 PM
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People,
Please don't think what happens to O6 will not affect your life.

1) IIEC has been disbanded. Another one has to be constituted. Who will do this? Parliament? Can they do it when the emotions are so high from the ICC fiasco?...I doubt but time will tell.

2) Chief Justice will have a big role in the implementation of the new constitution. A new CJ must be approved by parliament. At the moment Parliament is divided.... If the CJ will not be find favor with UK & WR..... do you think he /she will be approved by parliament?...I guess not. Parliament can really frustrate JSC and the country as we are now.

3) Boundaries for the constituencies according to the new constitution are yet to be agreed and approved by parliament. You think this will happen without unity in parliament... it will be a long shot.

4) There are many laws to be passed in order to implement the new constitution before 2012. We need unity in parliament now more than before if we want to be legally ready for the elections.

When the case against the O6 starts there is a high possibility that political temperature will go up.... this will affect the implementation of the new constitution.


If by next year election time we have not passed the necessary laws as required by the new consitution.... what will happen? your guess is as good as mine.... chaos may not be ruled out.... that is how YOU MIGHT BE AFFECTED.

Some people have already seen this.... that could be the reason the NSE & Ksh are showing the loss of confidence.... some people are putting money elsewhere as they do not expect the ICC case to end well for the country.

I support the deferral of ICC case for the O6... not because I support impunity.... but because politicians are self centered people. Deferral is good for Kenya.... after the basics of the new constitution have been implemented... then let the ICC take whoever they want... they can even take away Kibaki or Raila and the country will not be in a crisis.
Robinhood
#7 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 8:42:50 AM
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@Liv, I differ with you on this score. I think the opposite is true. We must slay this dragon of impunity if 2012 will be peaceful. Do you think the parliamentarians do not fear Ocampo? There was this lady who was having nightmares just thinking she might be on the list. I would want the nightmares to continue for anyone who thinks they can act with impunity just because they are MPs, President PM etc.

Whoever wants to bring violence in 2012 is most welcome, then the O6 can become the O15 or something like that. We can then break this vicious cycle of impunity and violence.

Finally, Mr/Ms Liv, you suggest that we capitulate to some idiotic politicians ati so they can implement the constitution. I beg to differ. There is need to have the constitution implemented, but I assure you that getting the O6 out of the way is the first step. They are just a reminder of the dark days of yore.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
kingfisher
#8 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 8:56:44 AM
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wewe @liv toa porojo hapa!! whose agent are you???
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B.Timer
#9 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 10:35:11 AM
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Robinhood wrote:
@Liv, I differ with you on this score. I think the opposite is true. We must slay this dragon of impunity if 2012 will be peaceful. Do you think the parliamentarians do not fear Ocampo? There was this lady who was having nightmares just thinking she might be on the list. I would want the nightmares to continue for anyone who thinks they can act with impunity just because they are MPs, President PM etc.

Whoever wants to bring violence in 2012 is most welcome, then the O6 can become the O15 or something like that. We can then break this vicious cycle of impunity and violence.

Finally, Mr/Ms Liv, you suggest that we capitulate to some idiotic politicians ati so they can implement the constitution. I beg to differ. There is need to have the constitution implemented, but I assure you that getting the O6 out of the way is the first step. They are just a reminder of the dark days of yore.



I see your point just as I share in Kenyans frustration with seemingly unending impunity.

However we must never be blinded by feelings as to become im-pragmatic.

I guess the suggested deferal would not work counter to your aspiration in slaying the Impunity beast.
Within the 12 Months if nothing credible is done locally, ICC will take over.

If we manage to start prosecutions of the PEV suspects, many people who played different roles will face the law.

benefit of doubt sometimes, without conceding too much!
Dunia ni msongamano..
masukuma
#10 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 11:26:45 AM
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pragmatically, I foresee skirmishes in the areas where Luos and Luhyas border the Kaleos. I hope i am wrong!
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