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Ocampo Strikes...ICC summons the SIX.
Theu
#41 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:33:17 PM
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For Sport wrote:
acheni kucelebrate mapema.
it's a long road to justice

wacha tucelebrate, at least there is a road..! na watu wanaendelea kukonda, ili iwe funzo kwa wengine. I still believe were it not for MO and the icc process referundum would have brought more mayhem.
Njung'e
#42 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:40:49 PM
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@Ngalaka,
I am not populist in anyway but be frank and honest.If your boss says go to hell,do you hike the next available means??...and as we talk,the idiot is meeting Ban Ki-Moon while hundreds of Kenyans are outside the UN HQs protesting at the VPs action and by large,his master's!!....KM would have had more to gain by going with the wish of Kenyans.The very same people he will come to for votes long after MK becomes irrelevant.....His greed won't let him reason with his feet firmly on the ground......what a shame this man is!!

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McReggae
#43 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:58:31 PM
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All but Muthaura have promised to honour ICC April 7 summonApplause Applause Applause

Question is, should they continue to hold public offices now that they have a case to answer!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
nostoppingthis
#44 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:52:03 PM
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Remember:

Hague is not their mother. we will defend ourselves here and there-Uhuru.
Hague itachukua miaka mingi and before it starts, some of us will no longer be there.-W. Ruto

With this statement, was WR admitting to being guilty?
keraka
#45 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:10:30 PM
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Whichever way we look at it,I still think the six gentlemen have a long way to go based on how the kenyan state has handled this issue all together.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
masukuma
#46 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:09:12 PM
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the journey is long - its a summons to attend pre-trial hearings, before the trial.
Its going to be very long trial, plus the court can decide at any one point to throw out the case. I suspect PEV victims may not get justice in this manner since most of the evidence is quite circumstantial and really feeble - imagine accusing Major General Ali with Rape and murder coz he did not stop the Mungiki and with murder because he stopped those those in Mathare, Kibera and Kisumu.
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Robinhood
#47 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:25:26 PM
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@Masukuma, this is just the way the ICC works. All Ocampo needs to prove is that Ali must have known that crimes were about to be committed and took no action to prevent the crimes. That may not be so difficult to prove I think.
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TAZ
#48 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:47:07 PM
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Robinhood wrote:
@Masukuma, this is just the way the ICC works. All Ocampo needs to prove is that Ali must have known that crimes were about to be committed and took no action to prevent the crimes. That may not be so difficult to prove I think.


I'm not much of a lawyer but don't you think Ali would just state that there was some sort of "mutiny" in the police force that somehow made it difficult for him to assert his authority as Commissioner of Police....i think this guy will be the least worried of the six. Anyway, tungoje uamuzi wa mahakama!
Robinhood
#49 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:47:17 PM
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@TAZ, and the mutiny was only in Naivasha and not in Kisumu and other places where the police shot demonstrators at will? I am no lawyer either, but I am sure there are grounds for the charges.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
Ngalaka
#50 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:32:18 PM
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I tend to think too, that Ali's case isnt too bad.
This is unless Ocampo has evidence that he was part of the plan to give Mungiki un-hindered passange to attack people.

Even then the question that will arise is do the crimes so committed constitute what is defined as crimes against humanity!
The above should also form part of Uhurus arguments.

The question of Ali not having done enough to prevent Naivasha and Nakuru killings should not be viewed in isolation of him also not having done enough to prevent the crimes committed in Kericho, Edoret, Kisumu, Kibera, Mombasa etc etc.

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