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One of the most forthright descriptions of Mr Odinga is given by one of his main allies, Lands minister James Orengo. US ambassador Michael Ranneberger met both Mr Orengo and head of Public Service Francis Muthaura in mid 2009 to press them to push Mr Kibaki and Mr Odinga to speed up the process of reforms. In his meeting with Mr Ranneberger, the Lands minister shared his frustration with the PM. “After I reviewed the state of play along lines similar to those I employed with Muthaura, Orengo admitted frustration about the slow movement on the reform agenda. He said that Prime Minister Odinga must bear substantial responsibility for this. Orengo made clear his view that Kibaki and his people do not favour far-reaching reforms, but at the same time, he said, Odinga has not been forthright in driving implementation of the reform agenda. Odinga has done nothing to reorganise his office to make it more effective; Odinga is a poor manager who does not follow up; and he is primarily focused on preparing for his presidential run in 2012, Orengo said. Odinga has avoided bold moves because he is hostage to his difficult political constituency, Orengo said. In essence, Orengo concluded, Odinga wants to maintain support from the diverse elements of his Orange Democratic Movement coalition, and that means he has pulled his punches on issues like the Special Tribunal.” The greatest act of bravery is chancing a fart while suffering from diarrhoea
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safariant wrote:One of the most forthright descriptions of Mr Odinga is given by one of his main allies, Lands minister James Orengo.
US ambassador Michael Ranneberger met both Mr Orengo and head of Public Service Francis Muthaura in mid 2009 to press them to push Mr Kibaki and Mr Odinga to speed up the process of reforms. In his meeting with Mr Ranneberger, the Lands minister shared his frustration with the PM.
“After I reviewed the state of play along lines similar to those I employed with Muthaura, Orengo admitted frustration about the slow movement on the reform agenda. He said that Prime Minister Odinga must bear substantial responsibility for this. Orengo made clear his view that Kibaki and his people do not favour far-reaching reforms, but at the same time, he said, Odinga has not been forthright in driving implementation of the reform agenda. Odinga has done nothing to reorganise his office to make it more effective; Odinga is a poor manager who does not follow up; and he is primarily focused on preparing for his presidential run in 2012, Orengo said. Odinga has avoided bold moves because he is hostage to his difficult political constituency, Orengo said. In essence, Orengo concluded, Odinga wants to maintain support from the diverse elements of his Orange Democratic Movement coalition, and that means he has pulled his punches on issues like the Special Tribunal.”
the true colours of this kimundu have been revealed. if this is true it is a sad day for kenyans Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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mpobiz wrote:safariant wrote:One of the most forthright descriptions of Mr Odinga is given by one of his main allies, Lands minister James Orengo.
US ambassador Michael Ranneberger met both Mr Orengo and head of Public Service Francis Muthaura in mid 2009 to press them to push Mr Kibaki and Mr Odinga to speed up the process of reforms. In his meeting with Mr Ranneberger, the Lands minister shared his frustration with the PM.
“After I reviewed the state of play along lines similar to those I employed with Muthaura, Orengo admitted frustration about the slow movement on the reform agenda. He said that Prime Minister Odinga must bear substantial responsibility for this. Orengo made clear his view that Kibaki and his people do not favour far-reaching reforms, but at the same time, he said, Odinga has not been forthright in driving implementation of the reform agenda. Odinga has done nothing to reorganise his office to make it more effective; Odinga is a poor manager who does not follow up; and he is primarily focused on preparing for his presidential run in 2012, Orengo said. Odinga has avoided bold moves because he is hostage to his difficult political constituency, Orengo said. In essence, Orengo concluded, Odinga wants to maintain support from the diverse elements of his Orange Democratic Movement coalition, and that means he has pulled his punches on issues like the Special Tribunal.”
the true colours of this kimundu have been revealed. if this is true it is a sad day for kenyans wah! kweli kikulacho ki nguoni mwako if the leaks can b trusted....in fact always trust urself only!!
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Have u ever watched him @ the business round tables? How much economic coherance & confidence do u derive?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/9/2010 Posts: 784 Location: ant hill - red hill
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There is more Critical assessment Mr Ranneberger followed up those comments with a critical assessment of the PM’s office, saying his secretariat was inefficient in comparison to that of Mr Kibaki, which served to weaken Mr Odinga. “Odinga has weakened his own authority and effectiveness by surrounding himself with an incompetent and divided core team in the Prime Minister’s office. This has contributed greatly to his inability to work effectively to build his own authority within the coalition government. For whatever reason, and despite urging from us and many others to do so, he has refused to shake up his team and remains ill-served by them. As a result, the positions he takes publicly and privately are inconsistent, erratic and often amateurish. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../0/-/ag5dmk/-/index.htmlThe greatest act of bravery is chancing a fart while suffering from diarrhoea
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mpobiz wrote:safariant wrote:One of the most forthright descriptions of Mr Odinga is given by one of his main allies, Lands minister James Orengo.
US ambassador Michael Ranneberger met both Mr Orengo and head of Public Service Francis Muthaura in mid 2009 to press them to push Mr Kibaki and Mr Odinga to speed up the process of reforms. In his meeting with Mr Ranneberger, the Lands minister shared his frustration with the PM.
“After I reviewed the state of play along lines similar to those I employed with Muthaura, Orengo admitted frustration about the slow movement on the reform agenda. He said that Prime Minister Odinga must bear substantial responsibility for this. Orengo made clear his view that Kibaki and his people do not favour far-reaching reforms, but at the same time, he said, Odinga has not been forthright in driving implementation of the reform agenda. Odinga has done nothing to reorganise his office to make it more effective; Odinga is a poor manager who does not follow up; and he is primarily focused on preparing for his presidential run in 2012, Orengo said. Odinga has avoided bold moves because he is hostage to his difficult political constituency, Orengo said. In essence, Orengo concluded, Odinga wants to maintain support from the diverse elements of his Orange Democratic Movement coalition, and that means he has pulled his punches on issues like the Special Tribunal.”
the true colours of this kimundu have been revealed. if this is true it is a sad day for kenyans ....and remains ill-served by them. As a result, the positions he takes publicly and privately are inconsistent, childish and often amateurish. Kwani what did runberger expect from a Kihii? Kihii is the same one, go north or east. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-5sIR2l8XQ "One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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@ insurgent so sad uv pitiad the knife yet it doesnt show... possunt quia posse videntur
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I think,Wikileaks have done us (the world) justice by exposing some of these secrets. I have alwasys intimated that Odinga is power hungry who have no good leadership from heart. "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Burning Spear wrote:I think,Wikileaks have done us (the world) justice by exposing some of these secrets.
I have alwasys intimated that Odinga is power hungry who have no good leadership from heart. Orengo has been the sober mind in SDP then ODM. He has even married from the other side. His thoughts as contained in the Wiki on his party leader are not surprising.
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@insurgent, i am afraid you have to substantiate your claims. after 30% of the world was said to be otherwise,in another thread.
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what with the Kihii every turn cann't @insurgent contribute soberly????? The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/24/2010 Posts: 637 Location: Nairobi
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What makes you think that Orengo having one of his several wives from the other side 'the mountain' makes him sober minded! and this is from a college educated Zombie. Such myopic reasoning and self imagination of pple from some place being superior to the rest are what makes us a bunch of idiots.But anyway u r entitled to your comments. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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ecstacy wrote:Burning Spear wrote:I think,Wikileaks have done us (the world) justice by exposing some of these secrets.
I have alwasys intimated that Odinga is power hungry who have no good leadership from heart. Orengo has been the sober mind in SDP then ODM. He has even married from the other side. His thoughts as contained in the Wiki on his party leader are not surprising. While Orengo's assessment of his master seems bang-on,i think he lost his identity when he joined RAO's politics..but again one would understand why he had to- otherwise he would have gone the Tuju way.............lets see if he will be rigged in the next elections now that RAO knows what one of his 'generals' thinks of him
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keraka wrote:What makes you think that Orengo having one of his several wives from the other side 'the mountain' makes him sober minded! and this is from a college educated Zombie. Such myopic reasoning and self imagination of pple from some place being superior to the rest are what makes us a bunch of idiots.But anyway u r entitled to your comments. All I read here is a rant not even worth a Zain text expense.
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famooz wrote:ecstacy wrote:Burning Spear wrote:I think,Wikileaks have done us (the world) justice by exposing some of these secrets.
I have alwasys intimated that Odinga is power hungry who have no good leadership from heart. Orengo has been the sober mind in SDP then ODM. He has even married from the other side. His thoughts as contained in the Wiki on his party leader are not surprising. While Orengo's assessment of his master seems bang-on,i think he lost his identity when he joined RAO's politics..but again one would understand why he had to- otherwise he would have gone the Tuju way.............lets see if he will be rigged in the next elections now that RAO knows what one of his 'generals' thinks of him True. However, who really has offered a flattering description of RAO? He needs to look inward.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/13/2010 Posts: 869 Location: Nairobi
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I find it telling that Orengo has not denied (like everyone else) saying those things.... Or has he? I rarely watch news these days.. ....above all, to stand.
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kenmac wrote:@insurgent, i am afraid you have to substantiate your claims. after 30% of the world was said to be otherwise,in another thread. got this gem from paul kukubu , what you are saying is very true. A kihii is a boy who has not gone through an adulthood ritual (Not just cutting of foreskin). Once you go through such aritual, you behave like an adult. The impact the ritual has on you is what matters, not jsut the removal of a piece of dirty skin. A Jaluo on the other hadn has discarded his childish to adulthood rituals such as removal of teeth which came with teachings etc. The boys in Luo land grow up like maize stalk, tehy never know when they become mature for adulthood, they have no mentors. Wha t you would call mentors are cartoons who have been installed as elders without a ritual process. you are given an artire which you wear on that day but you don't evern keep it. With asians, red indians etc, they have there rituals which they perform, some even more severe than removal of foreskin. Stop thinking like a jaluo. "One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/30/2009 Posts: 1,390
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Orengo was a reformist zamani. He was my favorite in 2002. Then he made the error of insulting an entire tribe while on campaigning. I lost my faith in him. In 07, the 'reformist' was rigged in during ODM primaries. Of late, he has been happy to fall into our tribe centred siasa. What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Where has orengo disappeared to .Totally unlike him right now we would be having hourly press conferences.
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