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The Housing Bubble in Kenya will Burst very soon....
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:46:59 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
KCB S&L MORTGAGES have launched their online portal on www.kcbpropertyguide.com - check it out. I've liked their Forex (USD) Mortgage product targeting the diaspora, 7% p.a


Nice!
Forester
#22 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 8:52:43 AM
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Wendz wrote:
why should i pay 60k per month for the next 15 years when i can pay 20k per month for the same house and invest the rest and come out better off than the person who owns the house?


Makes a lot of economic sense to me....@Wendz Applause Applause

100M for a 1/4 acre and 150M for a 1/2 acre in the leafy surbubs,can they justify these prices?I have recently noticed whole apartment blocks going for months on end without having watejaz..all in the name of being sold ama 90K/Month rentd'oh!
Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs - Farrah Gray.
Sigiriri
#23 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:48:12 AM
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I just looked at the KCB site above - their cheapest property is @4.5M. Using their mortgage calculator, I was able to arrive at 58424.33 as monthly payment - @13.5% for 15 years. The actual amount you end up paying for that house - a 2br apt is 10516379.4. CRAZY!!

Remember, on top of the 59K monthly, service charges and usual bills will add up to bring this to almost 65K! How much do you need to earn to pay 65K monthly consistently for 15yrs?

Pple will buy these houses - but for me it's just too much.
propertyzote
#24 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:56:20 AM
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Vj wrote:
I got in to the property development businees when things were still calm (around 7 years ago). From the way i understand the market a housing crash in the next five years is unlikely (though we may get a slight downward correction), the only situation i fear is a political crisis which can erode confidence. My reasons are as follows:

1) Kenyan banks are quite strict when it comes to lending
2) Quite a number of buyers are paying full cash for their homes (around 40% of my customers
have not taken loans)
3) The middle class i.e proffesionals are increasing rapidly.
4) The culture of buying rather then renting is increasing.
5) There is alot of money coming from abroad

However i must say things are reaching an equilibrium. There was a time i sold entire projects on the blue prints, nowadays it is difficult to acheive that but 90% are sold before completion. The correction i anticipate is around 15-20%, i feel this is necessary to weed out some of the developers who have no clue about what they are doing and overally this will be better for the market.

I echo your sentiments on the need to weed out the developers who have no clue about what they are doing. I personally believe they are responsible for the market speculations which has caused the current sky-high property prices. In other news...smile we have a client with land looking for a developer to partner with to put up a property along ngong road. email me on lkaptich@propertyzote.com for more details.
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Evolve
#25 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:56:44 AM
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@sigiriri

I do not hold any brief for KCB but you may wish to know that if you factor in time value and inflation, the amount you are saying you will end up paying would be negligible. In any case, factor in the rent that you would be paying your landlord and you will see the sense of investing in brick and mortar. Besides, do not forget that the property shall also appreciate and not remain at Kshs 4.5m.
bwenyenye
#26 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:48:27 AM
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Guys guys, hold up,

I still do not get the reasoning for a bubble burst in a city where 40% of property is bought cash!!!! A price correction , yes but very slight. Ile kitu iko is that rentals may come down once infrastructure is done such that I may prefer to move from Kileleshwa to Thika Rd ( also remember that rentals on Thika rd will also go up)so the differential may not be worth it. The guys who will be unable to service their mortgages will gladly sell the properties and make something from it. It is not like you wil have 10,000 units being sold at once.

The main cause of a property burst is borrowers losing income such that they cannot afford to pay mortgages. This hapepned on a large scale in the 1990s due to the SAPs and alot of properties were sold off but was there a bubble burst even with the very small middle class that existed then? Guys let us speak with facts not feelings like modern day journalists. Most residential houses (Syokimau, Kitengela,Katani etc) are not being put up by mortgages but by loans from SACCOs, Unsecured etc, so the lenders have really no way of directly linking this to the properties.
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erifloss
#27 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:01:08 AM
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Vj wrote:
I got in to the property development businees when things were still calm (around 7 years ago). From the way i understand the market a housing crash in the next five years is unlikely (though we may get a slight downward correction), the only situation i fear is a political crisis which can erode confidence. My reasons are as follows:

1) Kenyan banks are quite strict when it comes to lending
2) Quite a number of buyers are paying full cash for their homes (around 40% of my customers
have not taken loans)
3) The middle class i.e proffesionals are increasing rapidly.
4) The culture of buying rather then renting is increasing.
5) There is alot of money coming from abroad

However i must say things are reaching an equilibrium. There was a time i sold entire projects on the blue prints, nowadays it is difficult to acheive that but 90% are sold before completion. The correction i anticipate is around 15-20%, i feel this is necessary to weed out some of the developers who have no clue about what they are doing and overally this will be better for the market.

@Vj,just to correct you a bit. Most guys buying cash are not buying for their personal and family housing but for commercial purposes. Most of these guys either rent them out or sell them to secondary buyers. The bubble will actually burst coz of these secondary buyers who buy from the cash buyers. Remember that the first buyers are in it for investment purposes and when reality hits home with the secondary buyers on what they can make as first buyers and affordable mortgage is out there in the market then prices will be downhill coz of oversupply.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
Sigiriri
#28 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:13:13 AM
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@Evolve - the theory of value adjustment and time value of money is well understood.

I love to challenge the mind. Hypothesis - I take the 4.5 and invest in a business today - exposure to risk much like housing is exposed to the imminent collapse. I double the capital in 3 years and pay myself a decent salary while investing more in the bizna. I rent a hse - max 20K (hata kama ni utawala ama ruai. 15 years later, with all factors considered, will I be able to buy the same house in cash at whatever it's value will be? Will the business still be there? So - the mortgage guy has had this heavy burden and has not been able to set up or grow his/her biz as much. Which is the better option? Of course rent went up also in the same duration...

Remember guys, I am just raising dust here - let's hear ur thoughts.
bwenyenye
#29 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:46:42 PM
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@Sigiriri

When you consider business, always rememner that the possibility of losing the money is alwaya higher than that of making money. Otherwise no one would be employed. As one gets wiser, they realise that there is more to life than the next penny. At that point, passive income is King.
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Wendz
#30 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:55:06 PM
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Evolve wrote:
@sigiriri

I do not hold any brief for KCB but you may wish to know that if you factor in time value and inflation, the amount you are saying you will end up paying would be negligible. In any case, factor in the rent that you would be paying your landlord and you will see the sense of investing in brick and mortar. Besides, do not forget that the property shall also appreciate and not remain at Kshs 4.5m.


I hear you... but look at it this way.... in 2009, i invested in a property at 1.6m. Right now, the value is double that. In the same year, another lady bought her house at 4m (same area). Last month, she was offering me her house at 4.2m after making some improvements like putting up a tank, doing the drive way etc and to use her words "halafu utaona ni nini unaweza kuniongeza juu kwasababu ya hii developments"... as in, i was at liberty to say "i am paying 4.2m period"..... my point is, the appreciation of these two properties vs the capital injection is very different. Actually, i would go for an empty piece of land anytime than a house...... It will fetch me much better returns in the end.

For a house, i would go to building my own without credit if possible...... (in some economies, this would be absurd but in kenya, i think its much better)..... by the time i am done building, the house value doubles....
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