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#21 Posted : Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:11:00 PM
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I AM BACK!!!

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#22 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 7:04:00 AM
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Why not Kenya T-Bills? Or T-Bonds? And no currency fluctuations!

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Seles83
#23 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 7:48:00 AM
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welcome sober i miss u defending accs kenya and kplc

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More monies, more problems...
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#24 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 9:00:00 AM
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Discussions tend to be livelier in 'hot' markets.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
SUSU
#25 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 9:49:00 AM
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@SOBA

Where do you think KPLC will stop it's aggressive upward trend?
Iborian
#26 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 11:39:00 AM
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@Seles,can't believe that you are seriously thinking of investing in offshore T-Bills and Fixed Deposits. Last time I checked the yields in most developed markets for these products were near zero. You divest out of equities when they have a very strong run - such as the Kenyan scenario upto 2007 and in the runup to Scom IPO. You then get back when all others seem to have given up. Since March the NSE has gained +30%,and we are still down YTD. The likes of Hong Kong and Mumbai are up over 50% although admittedly they are now slowing down.
Seles83
#27 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 3:44:00 PM
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In some countries treasury bills are 25% plus...this is quaranteed return as compared to NSE..if there is anything new this global recession taught me; is that dont put ua monies in one basket...

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More monies, more problems...
mukiha
#28 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:09:00 AM
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@Seles;
Which countries have T-Bills paying 25%? Please name them and we shall all take our money there.

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SUSU
#29 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:32:00 AM
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@Seles,

Ati Treasury Bills at 25%!!! Hapo ni wapi????? Hata Ponzi they don't offer at that rate...lol..wacha weweeeee.


mukiha
#30 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:41:00 AM
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@Susu;

When I asked for the names of the countries,I was serious! It is not uncommon for T-Bills to pay that high; indeed,in the early to mid 1990s,Kenya's bills were paying over 50%...I bought quite a few at 35% interest.

The only problem is that when rates are that high,the economy is usually on the death bed. The only reason I put my money in the Kenyan T-bill was that I am Kenyan and I trusted MY government to live up to its promise to pay on maturity.

Now ask yourself this: would you put your money in a Somali T-Bill paying 30%?

Still,I'd like to know which countries seles is alluding to.

Behind the gardens...Behind the wall...Under the tree (Including: Red...Dark Blue...Yellow)
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Tusker Baridi
#31 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:44:00 AM
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In the '90s Kenya's own T-Bills traded at 75% so 25% would not surprise me. But before you jump in,concider the currency risks. Its during these heydays that Ksh dropped from 30 per dollar to over 70 per dollar. So you may gain on the bond but lose on the currency,suddenly the 25% does not look that generous.

When in doubt,follow the money.
Seles83
#32 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:36:00 AM
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Ghana,the only currency flactuation you have worry about is the dollar....well we all know that Dollar has been abit stable for sometimes now...


Failure inspires winners...winners are made not born
More monies, more problems...
Seles83
#33 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:38:00 AM
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Guys i forgot to mention that all investments are made in dollars and returns will be in dollars too.

Failure inspires winners...winners are made not born
More monies, more problems...
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