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Kenya's case may fry the ICC Pt II
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:39:13 PM
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masukuma wrote:
@si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo, believe me! The reason Kony is hidding in thickets and bushes is not the fear of ICC but the fear of M7. ICC has no arresting arm on its own. ICC has as much power as you grant them.
Hata M7 agrees.


Ok, Masukuma, I hear you. But he could even be hiding from some vengeful children, now adults, who have come together to get pay back for a few things, or their bounty hunters, who knows?

TAZ
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:42:52 PM
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B.Timer wrote:

Make no mistake about it, I want PEV perpetrators punished, but I am afraid I lost faith in Ocampo the moment he read out the names of people he wanted to indict.

The ommisions - too grave for me!!!!


It's a messed up affair!!


Applause Applause Applause

I lost faith in the guy the moment he decided to play 2012 politics.
kadonye
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:55:13 PM
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ICC is good for scaring fellows. Especially the cost
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:56:43 PM
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TAZ wrote:
B.Timer wrote:

Make no mistake about it, I want PEV perpetrators punished, but I am afraid I lost faith in Ocampo the moment he read out the names of people he wanted to indict.

The ommisions - too grave for me!!!!


It's a messed up affair!!


Applause Applause Applause

I lost faith in the guy the moment he decided to play 2012 politics.


There is that option of approaching the ICC directly and taking back the cases and duly finding the accused innocent and mere victims of political chicanery .....

The door is not shut, what is happening is that people dont want to walk through it. Instead, they want to climb out of the window, through the grills.
2 Miles
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:51:29 PM
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What options do we really have????

According to my understanding , the Kenyan government was given time to set up a local tribunal. The ICC didn't just land in Kenya. There was a series of events that led to our misfortune. Lets all agree on that first.

Our idiot MPigs , in their characteristic foolishness , absolutely refused to set up a local tribunal. These includes the alledged suspects at that time ( thats what fear does to u ) So the ICC moved in. Simple. We invited them with open arms. Now the same characters are against the ICC. Now, how do you support such people, in all sincerity???? Then the Leader of Government Business, the Government which was unable to set up a local tribunal when given a chance to do so, is busy plundering taxes ( which MPigs have refused to pay on their whole salaries btw )is busy engaged in shuttle diplomacy.....ati Kenya can handle these suspects. Sometimes I dnt how these country is governed. Its like the government operates on mood swings!!!!


Lets just take a scenario where a local tribunal was set-up. These names were in the Waki list anyway. Ocampo named 6 of them. I dnt see what would have changed. Actually it would have been worse. Uhuru ignores summons to the departmental committee on Finance. I doubt whether he would appear before the L. T. consistently.

Maybe Ocampo has made a mistake. Maybe some names have been left out. But atleast there is a clear message been sent out that you just can't crimes against humanity the way you want. That impunity has to stop. That individuals, no matter how wealthy or how senior in government , can be held accountable for their actions. To me , thats progress thats +ve. The 6 might be innocent , but they will have to defend themselves against evidence produced. C'mon, you guys know better , that would never have happened in Kenya.
Kenyan Kop
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:04:39 PM
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The ICC like any other court may return a guilty or innocent verdict. My question remains what if ICC fails to indict the six suspects?
2 Miles
#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:21:58 PM
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If the suspects are not indicted , we are back to square 1. I will cry for my country , and for the PEV victims.

Because we might have to go the Local tribunal way or even a TJRC ( not very sure ). Sad. Sad. Sad. Very sad.
simonkabz
#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:31:43 PM
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Sorry 2miles,ICC rattled a snake n its now taking serious bites! Like kadonye has put it, its only gud 4 SCARING lords of war.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
B.Timer
#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:39:53 PM
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2 Miles wrote:
If the suspects are not indicted , we are back to square 1. I will cry for my country , and for the PEV victims.

Because we might have to go the Local tribunal way or even a TJRC ( not very sure ). Sad. Sad. Sad. Very sad.



Unfortunately this seems to be what we stare in the face.
Blame it on the apparent incompetence on the part of Ocampo!

BTW The local tribunal as initialy proposed had a water tight mechanism - complete with majority foreign Judges and operating on locally assembled laws that meet international standards.
Would have been neat!
They jettisoned it!!
Dunia ni msongamano..
Kenyan Kop
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:53:15 PM
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Thank you B.Timer and 2 Miles. ICC is not a solution but one of the means to a solution. By picking up politicians and leaving a sour taste in part of the country makes the situation worse. Indeed while there is need for Justice, Kenya needs comprehensive and restorative justice. The only judicial mechanism that can be tailored to suit those ends is a local tribunal acting hand in hand with a truth justice and reconciliation commission. That is the best way (in my opinion) to begin a healing process.
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