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Could Safaricom issue a profit warning?
VituVingiSana
#61 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 1:29:36 PM
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@muchknow - The issue [as an investor] is not past earnings [though a guide in normal circumstances] but the future...

The 'price wars' started in Sep 2010 so I expect Safaricom's VOICE revenue to decline [on-net calls from 8/- to 3/- currently]. Also add the definite loss of some customers who called off-net [off-net 12/- to 4/-].

Where I expect Safaricom to make up 'losses' is Data [huge bump] & M-Pesa [growing like crazy]...

As for voice... It is becoming a commodity. Cheapest provider [with a good nationwide footprint] will probably expand its base...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Much Know
#62 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 1:36:00 PM
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@vvs if you read the CCK report through, you will understand that the ARPU of 362 takes into account the then prevailing price of 3/- per minute for airtel and 2/- to 5 for safaricom, it was compiled end of September and 3/- started end of August, my analysis if fairly factual and representative.

I have used earlier report to assist in making fairly accurate current projections.

If you check historically also, the industry ARPU is always lower than safcoms, you can also use the MINUTES OF USE for when the prices were 8/- (vuka introduced Sep 2008)Safcom ARPU fell from 616 to 475 a major dip but there was a sharp rise in voice revenue because of MINUTES OF USE of which the report shows a sharp rise in, voice ARPU is not declining as fast(a reason why there is congestion)
Ras Kienyeji Man
Much Know
#63 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 1:58:04 PM
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Anyway lets wait for CCK Q2 report and we can make a conclusion, but if you want to bet on it projecting revenue above 70bilion (ARPU*Customer base*12), am in, and i don't ruka bets,1K.
Ras Kienyeji Man
VituVingiSana
#64 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 2:00:28 PM
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@muchknow - I expect Safaricom might be OK [similar to FY 2009-10] as far as revenues are concerned [Data, Sales of goods, M-Pesa]... but I fear the profits in 2H will suffer... Even more in 2010-11...

Data will be the 'saving grace' [SMS are included in data but I think the number of 'regular' SMS sent through/by Safaricom have stagnated]...

Another HUGE income stream [lumped with SMS above] will be the SMS lotteries e.g. 6969 where Safaricom is far ahead of the rest... The profits will be HUGE...

In 2010-11 SMS lotteries will play a smaller part [if the ban stays]. The SMS costs have dropped significantly to match Airtel. Calling costs/prices are also down. Minutes will be up but there is a loss of customers to Airtel [maybe Yu & Orange].

I like Safaricom as an investment. Just not at 4.30 but I would look at it seriously at 3.50 or lower...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kwanini
#65 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 3:27:36 PM
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@ for me the maths just too complexcated! sold of kila kitu @ 4.35, reflecting a loss of 15% brokers cut notwithsatanding. wud rather stick to my kasacco that returned 9.2% dividends for 2010.

someone wake me up when we hit IPO price again...hopefully before 2012.
"For i am the master and the captain of my fate"
hisah
#66 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 7:54:34 PM
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Grapevine has it that mtn could close in on yu soon. Stil waiting for more confirmation...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mozenrat
#67 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 8:21:58 PM
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You can mark my words on one issue... if we go down this path, ALL operators are not going to be willing to be as philanthropic as they've been in the past.. If you live in an area where people don't call much or you're the only one using a specific operator's line, expect BTSs to switched off in that area..Just like the StanCharts moved out of the smaller towns. However, unlike banks who basically just need a building and a few tellers, it takes billions to rebuild telco infrastructure.

as for the guy talking about sharing of BTSs, that has always been the case..

On this one, Mr. PM has shown that indeed he's only fit to run a 'fis' market.
bepari
#68 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 11:14:03 PM
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@mozernut,if this guyz share Base stations,how come in my hood there are three towers within a 100 meters.
my guess is that we may never agree on safcom, since some of you are shareholders while some of us are consumers.... and by the way,kwani wat is wrong with a fis market?
if you aint livin on the edge,you are taking too much space....
Much Know
#69 Posted : Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:50:02 AM
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@bepari, your conclusion that the three base stations belong to three different firms is a bit amusing Laughing out loudly , no prize for guessing who has been investing in extra base stations. In yesterdays cutting edge, some lady was complaining how she cant get airtel at some two streets in town!!! cbd!!! hope that can add a bit of sophistication to the fis market
Ras Kienyeji Man
alikujia
#70 Posted : Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:56:33 PM
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thought/assumed safcon was one of best employers-salarythingy. PM said peanuts! is that really thecase?
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