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Mubarak Steps Down an inspiration to Uganda and others
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,037 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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For the second time in quick sucession in north africa the peoples will prevailed. The end of dictatorship in Uganda and other black African countries are very much in sight, it is a question of time. I am very interested in Uganda because this land locked country has a promising future if you look beyond the current dictatorship. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/7/2007 Posts: 838
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I sometimes wonder why African presidents find it so hard to leave office. Do they think it is their God given right to rule till death? Yet some of them were very intelligent people before they "tasted" power. WHO DARES WINS
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/9/2010 Posts: 894 Location: Nairobi
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i think Mubarak is a strong man if he resisted for 18 days. this haki yetu thing is becoming popular in africa. i am waiting to see who will be the next victim Don't wait for the Last Judgment. It happens every day. ~Albert Camus, The Fall, 1956
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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museveni? algeria? gaddafi? mugabe? Of course, south of the Sahara, the tribal factor is huge. Look at Uganda where ankoles - lot of whom are in the army - support museveni while Baganda are anti-museveni. Need I even explain Kenya's tribal dynamics? Look at the KKK. Zimbabwe has the shona vs the rest as well. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/7/2009 Posts: 1,032 Location: Sea of Transquility
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What, Im still behind news(problem of disregarding mututho laws). At long last, the old man was arrogant. I agree with you VVS, let this be a lesson to all african leaders. “small step for man”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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there was an underhand of the west in this, guys dont look at the superficial base of the case. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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VituVingiSana wrote:museveni? algeria? gaddafi? mugabe?
Of course, south of the Sahara, the tribal factor is huge. Look at Uganda where ankoles - lot of whom are in the army - support museveni while Baganda are anti-museveni.
Need I even explain Kenya's tribal dynamics? Look at the KKK.
Zimbabwe has the shona vs the rest as well. My sentiments exactly! What To DoNever count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Sober wrote:there was an underhand of the west in this, guys dont look at the superficial base of the case. Nonsense!!!.I know you by your soberness and i really don't want to believe that the joy of a million sober Egyptian was an influence of the west.....I would also take you through the Egypt of yester decade and have you compare it with the Egypt of today.If you are a good student,the difference is so distinct and i am not surprised by this uprising. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/19/2010 Posts: 237 Location: Republic of Graham & Doddsville
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18 days was all it took to topple a 30 yr old regime... Wazee wakubahatisha walipo sema, kubomoa ni rahisi kuliko kujenga!!! We Will Either Find a Way or Create One - HANNIBAL
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/7/2009 Posts: 1,032 Location: Sea of Transquility
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Sober wrote:there was an underhand of the west in this, guys dont look at the superficial base of the case. This is mere speculation, unless u can back up ur argument. Of course Uncle Sam came out (through rhetoric rather than action) in favour of support of Mubarak's ouster. For instance when Obama on Sunday called for an "orderly transition" to democracy in Egypt. We also know of the politically correct diplomacy of American presidents throughout the generations. But this alone does not show that they were in anyway involved. After all why would they? Mubarak has been them what I would call ' a staunch strategic ally of three decades ... an almost lone voice of sanity in a Middle East'. There u have it Sober, we need ur proof. In my opinion this way 'a voice of the people inpired by Ben Ali's similar ouster and 3 decades of a dectatorial regime' “small step for man”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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Njung'e wrote:Sober wrote:there was an underhand of the west in this, guys dont look at the superficial base of the case. Nonsense!!!.I know you by your soberness and i really don't want to believe that the joy of a million sober Egyptian was an influence of the west.....I would also take you through the Egypt of yester decade and have you compare it with the Egypt of today.If you are a good student,the difference is so distinct and i am not surprised by this uprising. @Sober - One of the main groups in the uprising was the Muslim Brotherhood [You can Google them] and I'll have you know they are anti-US/West to the core. One Muslim Brotherhood document, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is "settlement", defined by the author as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilization from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions. In another document, "Ikhwan in America", the author alleges that the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US include going to camps to do weapons training (referred to as Special work by the Muslim Brotherhood), as well as engaging in counter-espionage against US government agencies such as the FBI and CIA (referred to as Securing the Group). In November 2008 the Holy Land Foundation was found guilty of illegally funding Palestinian militant group Hamas, which is designated by the United States as a terrorist group. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/17/2010 Posts: 234 Location: Nairobi
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dont fall for american propaganda and their bad habit of taking credit for everything that looks good. mubarak was their stooge. their initial reaction showed they were caught by surprise and were forced to take the most politically correct position given the circumstances.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 111 Location: MOMBASA
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Seeders wrote:dont fall for american propaganda and their bad habit of taking credit for everything that looks good. mubarak was their stooge. their initial reaction showed they were caught by surprise and were forced to take the most politically correct position given the circumstances. U R Right. If America were able to keep Mubarak they could have kept him for ever....Lakini mambo was very bad they thus had to sacrifice him and start their rubish rhetoric in the name of democracy..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 1,793
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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Main reason USA supported mubarak was coz of israel... the vaunted jewish & powerful lobby... but IMHO I prefer a strong Israel... BTW, when those muslims from al-qaeda killed 250 Kenyans, the Israelis helped with sniffer dogs, doctors, rescue teams! I didn't see the saudis or iran help us! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 111 Location: MOMBASA
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VituVingiSana wrote:Main reason USA supported mubarak was coz of israel... BTW, when those muslims from al-qaeda killed 250 Kenyans, the Israelis helped ....I didn't see the saudis or iran help us! Did u see Indians helping? Did u see Russians helping? What about Chinese? Na akina Brazilians? Did French Soldiers came to our rescue? May be u saw what we did not see...akina Spain? Germans maybe? Just sema u like Israel period..Do u know that Saudi's were on their way to Nairobi it's only that they were using camels na Israel used F-Kumi na tano instead... 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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mubarak had promised to step down in september now he has tranfered powers to THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE ARMED FORCES which is basically his or was the "MUBARAKS KITCHEN KABINET" in my opinion this transition was like jumping from the pan into the fire. it will now be a miracle if egyptians get their democratic reforms in the next 5 years Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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