Trust me KH, this is where we go wrong! If we dont stop this nonsense of looking up to these goons, we will always have a problem of "mob thinking" and as you rightly put, is what led us to where we were 2007/2008. If we take these guys as working together now and hence there is peace, what will happen when they stop working together (and trust me, this will be pretty soon once their interests have been fully achieved)? Am glad you have programmes that are working to restore peace, in my warped reasoning (coz may be i havent really been on the ground) I would say, keep off politicians when it comes to seeking peace! They are more than happy when the wananchi dance to their tune, of war (as they did) or of peace (as they are doing) because only then are they sure that you have surrendered your reasoning to them.... and they now have you as a puppet!

'Our leaders'......who are your leaders? Do you know you are a leader? At least in your native environment like home or house for instance. What do you do at home?

Do you 'unlock' the people around you to live in peace with ALL communities? Or peace for only those whose so called 'leaders' seem to work together?

Unless you are merely following your favourite leaders read (favourite politicians)

Wendz, it seems I have missed the bus? What is this quote that you allegedly gave? Or have you been misquoted?

Its okay you can throw those "clever insults" at me, but to bury my head in the sand and ignore a “tribal crisis” and a tribally warped political system in Kenya is what really is uneducated. What solution are you providing for a future crisis? Do you expect by 2012 Kenyans would have stopped tribalism; if no what measures will you take to ensure tribalism foes do not flare into violence? Will this short lived political "reconciliation" dalliance between tribes end the 18 year wars? Is it rock solid or predatory with an imminent fallout?. Unlike some here who are “proud” to speak multiple languages, I am unable to fluently speak any and identify with none, I have spent few moments upcountry and can’t specifically identify with any tribe or community, that’s the truth of the matter, but I will not ignore a problem that interferes with my investments, peace, prosperity and choice of residence as a Kenyan by playing a take no responsibility role of “I am not into tribalism”, “politicians are the problem not the people” etc.

Kenyans will continue to vote for POLITICIANS forever and ever, in any case what other solution besides voting politicians is in existence in this universe? Can you start it? Maybe we ask the church to lead? It will always be politicians and they are all overwhelmingly supported in the grassroots. The masses in Rift Valley will say RUTO represents them, and there are showing it everyday on T.V and don’t be a fool to think they don’t or are FORCED BY SOME POLITICAL MAGIC TO SUPPORT HIM, it is their will and he represents their will, if he fails them they remove him, that is it!!.

I DO NOT SUPPORT TRIBALISM, I just can’t ignore it, I hope and know it is dropping but it is still a very real factor in Kenyan politics and will continue to be so for sometime. I can’t ignore the above, tribalism and its dynamics then wait for more to die in 2012 as I sit in my office sipping coffee or flee the country and choose to PRETENTIOUSLY PUT MYSELF ABOVE THE MWANAINCHI

What would happen if kyuks dont support Ruto? On another note, the 2007 political alliance against one community WAS NOT TRIBALISM, right guys? The emerging alliances r the epitome of ethnicity, right? Anyway someone kindly answer the 1st question.

This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. George Carlin

[quote=simonkabz]The emerging alliances r the epitome of ethnicity, right? Anyway someone kindly answer the 1st question.[/quote)

I wonder why any mention of two Kikuyu elders meeting becomes the epitome of ethnicity. It becomes even worse when a Kikuyu is seen dining or having some coffee with a non-Kikuyu. This is always code-named a tribal alliance. This has been the gospel according to RAO and the like minded opportunists since 2005. He perfected it and he is at it again. If UK were to visit a Luhya MPig in Western, RAO (and his infantry) will have something to light their jiko with the following morning. What am I saying in short? This tribal talk will never intimidate some us and will countered with the same measure of venom. Stop this talk of Kikuyu, Kikuyu every time your political star is dwindling!

@much know,i like your 'callin as you see it' attitude.
we the electorate did fail in our duty,we vote for the wrong pple and for the wrong reasons;kuyos, kaleos,luos all endure bad governance but come election time,tribe becomes the only criteria,not who can deliver.it becomes a matter of them vs us not issue a vs b. what we sow is what we reap. Now what can we do to change this tribe based politics?

So who is waiting for who to change first?The politicians will always throw the tribal bait at every opportunity because they know very well the masses will bite it hook and sink,forget about all about that perfomance record stuff.This forum is already charged so you can already tell what will inform how they vote in the next GE!

Yours is a very big question and hope some genuine strategies and contributions can be developed in such a forum, was about to give up on it. I doubt though tribalism will fade as fast as we would like it to, but I think one of the things we ought to do is quickly punish those who perpetuate tribal violence and intimidation as a political strategy and to stump out tribal practices in government employment, contracts etc through prosecutions and demands for resignations as with the Kosgey/koskey etc so there are no big benefits to being tribal, i guess that would help control it. We should work against tribal favoritism in government the way PLO is dealing with corruption. Racism for example is very hard to deal with, but dealing with racial violence and discrimination is a good start. We need to control any benefits "power" an individual accrues from his community by offering tribal goodies, this is how Moi messed up Kenya, entrenched tribalism and is what some violent community misses.

We do face a daunting task as a nation because we are on a train to destruction. the politicians that we are so quick to blame are products of our tribal society. so lets start with us. lets deal with issues in an honest manner.