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Why are Kikuyus supporting Ruto?
Wendz
#41 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 2:02:46 PM
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Karema Hiti wrote:
Wendz, thanks for your composure & sobriety. You are right -- lasting peace will only be cultivated by we neighbours. Currently, we have different programmes to complement the various efforts that other players are putting in place to build peace amongst our comunities. However, the so-called 'ethno-hysteria' or simply 'mob thinking' is profoundly entrenched in our communities. One way of unlocking it is through our 'leaders'. Therefore, any little sign or opportunity of our 'leaders' working together will always be welcome if it can add value to what we are doing at mashinani.


Trust me KH, this is where we go wrong! If we dont stop this nonsense of looking up to these goons, we will always have a problem of "mob thinking" and as you rightly put, is what led us to where we were 2007/2008. If we take these guys as working together now and hence there is peace, what will happen when they stop working together (and trust me, this will be pretty soon once their interests have been fully achieved)? Am glad you have programmes that are working to restore peace, in my warped reasoning (coz may be i havent really been on the ground) I would say, keep off politicians when it comes to seeking peace! They are more than happy when the wananchi dance to their tune, of war (as they did) or of peace (as they are doing) because only then are they sure that you have surrendered your reasoning to them.... and they now have you as a puppet!
2012
#42 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 2:04:10 PM
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I don't think the Kikuyus are supporting Ruto but he's working hard to woo them. But that said and from the look of things I think they prefer Ruto to RO because of Kibs and Uhuru's stand.

BBI will solve it
:)
YesuWangu
#43 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 2:12:49 PM
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Karema Hiti wrote:
Wendz, thanks for your composure & sobriety. You are right -- lasting peace will only be cultivated by we neighbours. Currently, we have different programmes to complement the various efforts that other players are putting in place to build peace amongst our comunities. However, the so-called 'ethno-hysteria' or simply 'mob thinking' is profoundly entrenched in our communities. One way of unlocking it is through our 'leaders'. Therefore, any little sign or opportunity of our 'leaders' working together will always be welcome if it can add value to what we are doing at mashinani.


'Our leaders'......who are your leaders? Do you know you are a leader? At least in your native environment like home or house for instance. What do you do at home?

Do you 'unlock' the people around you to live in peace with ALL communities? Or peace for only those whose so called 'leaders' seem to work together?

Unless you are merely following your favourite leaders read (favourite politicians)

Wendz, it seems I have missed the bus? What is this quote that you allegedly gave? Or have you been misquoted?
Ms Mkenya
#44 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 2:24:35 PM
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As Wendz has rightly put it, we cannot rely on the goons in Parliament to help peace. It begins with Me, KaremaH, Rahat, Wendz, newfarer, simonkabz, 2010, Impunity, MaichB etc to bring peace!

We are already so combative and we do not even know each other's real identities for crying out loud!!!

Let us discuss things as they are.

Newsflash---those goons in parliament are only looking out for themselves!!!
....above all, to stand.
Much Know
#45 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 2:39:01 PM
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Its okay you can throw those "clever insults" at me, but to bury my head in the sand and ignore a “tribal crisis” and a tribally warped political system in Kenya is what really is uneducated. What solution are you providing for a future crisis? Do you expect by 2012 Kenyans would have stopped tribalism; if no what measures will you take to ensure tribalism foes do not flare into violence? Will this short lived political "reconciliation" dalliance between tribes end the 18 year wars? Is it rock solid or predatory with an imminent fallout?. Unlike some here who are “proud” to speak multiple languages, I am unable to fluently speak any and identify with none, I have spent few moments upcountry and can’t specifically identify with any tribe or community, that’s the truth of the matter, but I will not ignore a problem that interferes with my investments, peace, prosperity and choice of residence as a Kenyan by playing a take no responsibility role of “I am not into tribalism”, “politicians are the problem not the people” etc.

Kenyans will continue to vote for POLITICIANS forever and ever, in any case what other solution besides voting politicians is in existence in this universe? Can you start it? Maybe we ask the church to lead? It will always be politicians and they are all overwhelmingly supported in the grassroots. The masses in Rift Valley will say RUTO represents them, and there are showing it everyday on T.V and don’t be a fool to think they don’t or are FORCED BY SOME POLITICAL MAGIC TO SUPPORT HIM, it is their will and he represents their will, if he fails them they remove him, that is it!!.

I DO NOT SUPPORT TRIBALISM, I just can’t ignore it, I hope and know it is dropping but it is still a very real factor in Kenyan politics and will continue to be so for sometime. I can’t ignore the above, tribalism and its dynamics then wait for more to die in 2012 as I sit in my office sipping coffee or flee the country and choose to PRETENTIOUSLY PUT MYSELF ABOVE THE MWANAINCHI
Ras Kienyeji Man
Rahatupu
#46 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 3:14:09 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
As Wendz has rightly put it, we cannot rely on the goons in Parliament to help peace. It begins with Me, KaremaH, Rahat, Wendz, newfarer, simonkabz, 2010, Impunity, MaichB etc to bring peace!

We are already so combative and we do not even know each others real identities for crying out loud!!!

Let us discuss things as they are.

Newsflash---those goons in parliament are only looking out for themselves!!!


@Ms well said. @Much no, the anger in your sentiments say so much more about you. Endorsing the "tribal" antics of politicians is the same as playing to their gallery. We all vote on whatever basis and partake to political activity in our own inclinations. BUT what matters as far as this discussion is concerned is how much of your thinking is clouded by tribalism be it in politics, business, etc!
simonkabz
#47 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 3:25:21 PM
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What would happen if kyuks dont support Ruto? On another note, the 2007 political alliance against one community WAS NOT TRIBALISM, right guys? The emerging alliances r the epitome of ethnicity, right? Anyway someone kindly answer the 1st question.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Kaigangio
#48 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 3:25:51 PM
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the UKs and WR have absolutely no interest and do not give a damn about anybodys peace...they have every interest in furthering their own political agenda and ambitions....there is nothing that can stop them from luring the voters back into the mayheim again when the need arises....after all the ordinary voter is just but an expendable asset...

the high level manouvres by the leaders is purely individualistic for now and cannot be construed to mean that the rest of the people are in their plan...it is the combatants themselves who can cultivate a lasting peace and not the elitist political imps...
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
the sage
#49 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 3:26:02 PM
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This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. George Carlin
Wendz
#50 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 3:34:44 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
What would happen if kyuks dont support Ruto? On another note, the 2007 political alliance against one community WAS NOT TRIBALISM, right guys? The emerging alliances r the epitome of ethnicity, right? Anyway someone kindly answer the 1st question.


Lets say, in 2007, we didnt have a new constitution and spirit for change... now we do (hopefully).

To answer your first question: He wont have clout and will shut the hell up until Ocampo calls him with his friends to defend themselves for whatever wrongs they are perceived to have participated on...

We shall have some bit of quiet... lets put it that way.
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