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kadonye
#31 Posted : Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:41:22 PM
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I still remain indifferent.Whichever route na ifuatwe.I think this is a good starting point but as I have argued here before, the actual morons who committed the crimes should be facing trial too.Trying the inciter only makes the assumption that the thugs who committed those crimes are robots controlled by the hague suspects!
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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For Sport
#32 Posted : Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:08:19 PM
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kadonye wrote:
I abstain


Don't be VAGUE.
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the sage
#33 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 8:47:38 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
@sage, seems u dnt knw kenyans 4sure. Plus I totally disagree with u on the states that might follow kenya. I hav listened to a ugandan, nigerian n s. african professors. My friend u have no facts, Africa hates the ICC n Kenya's issue might just b the final straw....


It is not a matter of liking the ICC or not. Kenya wants will definitely need donor money to support our ridcoulously high budget.
Should we pull out, no money and the technocrats at Treasury know that the West in not bluffing.
And this sovereign balderdash.
The GoK says it's sovereign and when there is a drought or a flood, it is the first to go begging for food abroad.
There is only one adjective; pathetic.
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the sage
#34 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 8:56:03 AM
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gk wrote:
......could it be that we are supporting ICC to satisfy our deep hidden urge to see the mighty in society humiliated/punished and not necessarily coz we believe ICC will offer justice?

...how about the rest of the killers, rapists and thiefs who were on the ground? ICC too?

...how about compensation for the victims? ICC too?

....yes I want justice to prevail but am notconvinced ICC's naming of 4 individuals (the case may even be lost) will serve this purpose.

...and certainly we aren't anywhere close to the worst abusers of human rights on earth; and your friends from the West will tell you that judicial independence "depends".

...No i will NOT support sending of fellow Kenyans to foreign soil to be tried. However long it takes we will fight here and ensure they are tried locally, jailed at Kodiaga and the cells keys thrown into the lake.


That is true. But even under the Penal Code it is possible to prosecute the rapists, arsonists and murderers. But we should ask ourselves why NO ONE has ever been found guilty 2 years after the crimes were committed.
It is clear that the justice will never be delivered by the crop of leaders we have.
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nostoppingthis
#35 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 9:23:29 AM
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kadonye wrote:
I still remain indifferent.Whichever route na ifuatwe.I think this is a good starting point but as I have argued here before, the actual morons who committed the crimes should be facing trial too.Trying the inciter only makes the assumption that the thugs who committed those crimes are robots controlled by the hague suspects!


How about the financiers and organizers?
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newfarer
#36 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 9:28:19 AM
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the sage wrote:
gk wrote:
......could it be that we are supporting ICC to satisfy our deep hidden urge to see the mighty in society humiliated/punished and not necessarily coz we believe ICC will offer justice?

...how about the rest of the killers, rapists and thiefs who were on the ground? ICC too?

...how about compensation for the victims? ICC too?

....yes I want justice to prevail but am notconvinced ICC's naming of 4 individuals (the case may even be lost) will serve this purpose.

...and certainly we aren't anywhere close to the worst abusers of human rights on earth; and your friends from the West will tell you that judicial independence "depends".

...No i will NOT support sending of fellow Kenyans to foreign soil to be tried. However long it takes we will fight here and ensure they are tried locally, jailed at Kodiaga and the cells keys thrown into the lake.


That is true. But even under the Penal Code it is possible to prosecute the rapists, arsonists and murderers. But we should ask ourselves why NO ONE has ever been found guilty 2 years after the crimes were committed.
It is clear that the justice will never be delivered by the crop of leaders we have.



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KulaRaha
#37 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 9:30:28 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
@sage, seems u dnt knw kenyans 4sure. Plus I totally disagree with u on the states that might follow kenya. I hav listened to a ugandan, nigerian n s. african professors. My friend u have no facts, Africa hates the ICC n Kenya's issue might just b the final straw....


If SA ever pulls out of ICC then Kaloozer can also become President!!!

Keep waiting sunshine...just because we have a continent of dictators does not mean justice cannot be served...

Look at Tunisia, Egypt, Algeria and now Yemen...hope that revolt spreads...some old fools might not make it to the AU summit in Addis to drink brandy and have hookers...
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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TAZ
#38 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 9:38:36 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
@sage, seems u dnt knw kenyans 4sure. Plus I totally disagree with u on the states that might follow kenya. I hav listened to a ugandan, nigerian n s. african professors. My friend u have no facts, Africa hates the ICC n Kenya's issue might just b the final straw....


If SA ever pulls out of ICC then Kaloozer can also become President!!!

Keep waiting sunshine...just because we have a continent of dictators does not mean justice cannot be served...

Look at Tunisia, Egypt, Algeria and now Yemen...hope that revolt spreads...some old fools might not make it to the AU summit in Addis to drink brandy and have hookers...


Most of these leaders have been in power for the last 30 years....i believe what is happening in these countries is almost similar to what Kenya did in 2002
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the sage
#39 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 9:51:01 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
@sage, seems u dnt knw kenyans 4sure. Plus I totally disagree with u on the states that might follow kenya. I hav listened to a ugandan, nigerian n s. african professors. My friend u have no facts, Africa hates the ICC n Kenya's issue might just b the final straw....


If SA ever pulls out of ICC then Kaloozer can also become President!!!

Keep waiting sunshine...just because we have a continent of dictators does not mean justice cannot be served...

Look at Tunisia, Egypt, Algeria and now Yemen...hope that revolt spreads...some old fools might not make it to the AU summit in Addis to drink brandy and have hookers...


Exactly, it is the people who protested not the dictators. I doubt SA would pull out of ICC.
Zuma is tactful despite his other failings.
http://www.sudantribune....ys-it-will-arrest,35817
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KulaRaha
#40 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 10:05:42 AM
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All this wastage of tax payers money and international ridicule just to save Muthaura...what a shame!!!
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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