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sanity
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:16:08 PM
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Hi Guys.I just returned to the country after a one year rendezvous in SA with my NGO employer.I managed to accumulate some savings slightly over 4M.I need to invest quickly somewhere because as you know loose cash evaporates...So guys kindly give me some ideas.I had thought of buying half an acre(commercial plot in Kitengela,going for 4.8M) but that will just but clean up all my savings.Also note that I'm married with three school going kids and my wife is not gainfully employed at the moment......Thanks in advance to all.....
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Toshi
#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:57:21 AM
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I suggest you do your research first; having been out of the country you should have a new eye on things, new ideas. If you know not what to do with your money, others will.
Possession of material riches, without inner peace, is like dying of thirst while bathing in a lake.
nimimi
#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:28:58 AM
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@sanity - if you decide not to take that half acre would you be so kind as to pass me the details?
maina20
#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:34:58 AM
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if u would like property, pls sample http://itradekenya.co.ke...tsforsale&Itemid=61
they have affordable bargains....nafmuma@yahoo.com for mo details...
..desire to succeed is always fighting with fear of failure..
winston
#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:57:04 AM
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@Sanity...I think your idea of putting the cash away before it evaporates is good...but slightly on the average side. You must first determine what your investment objectives are before choosing your investment vehicle.
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:10:14 PM
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I want to imagine that you are still keeping that job or atleast you are stil in employment and are not looking at dipping your fingers in the 4.8M pocket.
Having said that, know your strengths and if you have never done stocks, you might find it advisable to engage a Financial advisor, otherwise if you take the plunge in the Stocks market blindly, you might as well find sharks you will really feed on you!
You talked about a plot or so in Kitengela. You need to atleast put in something in real estate. It's not a question of if but when!
The demand for land and housing in the lower end of the market is still not fully met keeping in mind, between the mid 80's to the early 2000s, there was no clear Housing policy and so for about 15 to 20 years, the demand exceeded the supply.
This is what property developers have been trying to satisfy since the 2004 to date!
@SufficientlyP
Pablo
#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:07:03 PM
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Walk to S&L. Get a plot build apartments using your 4M as a 10% or 20% down-payment for 20apts each of 2br. Yr return after 1 yr is 300k p.m loan repayment 200k.

+ve cashflow that could grow by upto 15% per year starting at 100k after 1yr. Capital Gains per month could be over 200k p.m or 2.4M p.a.
Not this assumes a conservative 10% growth in value p.a
Evolve
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:16:54 PM
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@Pablo,

Something does not add up with your suggestion. How do you get loan repayment of 200k? The repayment for 20 units would be in excess of Kshs 1.0m assuming each unit is Kshs 4.0m and I am not sure S&L would be comfortable with the proposed gearing.
Toshi
#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:50:04 PM
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I fully agree with @Winston. Free advice can be expensive. It first starts with your objectives, then align your project(s) with that, after due diligence of course.

The easiest way to get rich is to solve a problem faced by the masses. Problems we have:
1. Housing
2. Food
3. Other?

Solve it!
Possession of material riches, without inner peace, is like dying of thirst while bathing in a lake.
Wendz
#10 Posted : Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:51:38 AM
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Pablo wrote:
Walk to S&L. Get a plot build apartments using your 4M as a 10% or 20% down-payment for 20apts each of 2br. Yr return after 1 yr is 300k p.m loan repayment 200k.

+ve cashflow that could grow by upto 15% per year starting at 100k after 1yr. Capital Gains per month could be over 200k p.m or 2.4M p.a.
Not this assumes a conservative 10% growth in value p.a


Remember this is all he has... so he has to get a plot from there.... may be he would have to reduce the number of apartments he can build then.


If it were me, i would explore the Longonot Gates and put in the 2m and forget... i am sure this will appreciate in no time. the other 2m i would assume is all i came back with and squeeze in my needs, eg,

1. how much does that lorry ya mchanga cost? I think the sand business is doing pretty well... you could explore that. You can even get financing from NIC (i hear they are the best in asset financing - dunno!)

2. I could also explore purchase of the "excavators" (check financing too coz you dont want to empty everything you have... you can use 1m as deposit and get financing for the rest)... i dont know if that's what you call those tractors that remove the soil before constructing - this is big business around Kite and Syoki coz of the cotton soil...

3. Assuming you do the longonot and 1 or 2 above, you still have 1m for a rainy day... you can decide to pay off some school (reasonably priced but good and take us extra couching at home), when the money starts coming in, move them to a better school... Make sure at this time you remain on budget eg in housing, lifestyle and all until things pick up.

4. Avoid putting all your money in one place at the moment.... if the it goes burst, you would really get hurt... Assuming 1 or 2 goes burst, then you still have your longonot to sell or whatever other property you would have acquired.

But thats me...
dave.kim
#11 Posted : Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:34:35 AM
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I suggest acquiring a piece of Land in Lamu.With the word of construction of a second port there that is scheduled to start in March, speculation has caused a rally in the land prices.
I was reading in the papers that the land that is in the periphery of where the port is to be built was worth 100k @acre in 2009 and by the end of last year it was 10m.
I am planning to buy land there at a place called Mpeketoni.its about 30km from proposed port area but still has high speculation.last time i checked (end of December last year) an acre was going for 350k
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#12 Posted : Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:35:47 PM
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dave.kim wrote:
I suggest acquiring a piece of Land in Lamu.With the word of construction of a second port there that is scheduled to start in March, speculation has caused a rally in the land prices.
I was reading in the papers that the land that is in the periphery of where the port is to be built was worth 100k @acre in 2009 and by the end of last year it was 10m.
I am planning to buy land there at a place called Mpeketoni.its about 30km from proposed port area but still has high speculation.last time i checked (end of December last year) an acre was going for 350k


Have you been to mpeketoni? Witu?

These place are so interior and presence of infrastructure will no necessarily unlock the value of this land. Commerce will not flourish anytime soon even when the port is built!

The main problem with mpeketoni is lack of title deeds and the squatters.
sanity
#13 Posted : Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:26:02 PM
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Hey guys.Thanks alot for your advice.I really appreciate this forum.I will digest all the advice and I'm sure I will come up with something worthy.
Hope is not a strategy
kabuta
#14 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 2:18:19 PM
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You can buy 1/4 acre instead of 1/2 at Kitengela and invest the balance in money market at 7-9% interest per annum.
winston
#15 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 6:27:15 PM
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@sanity...I hope you take from the forum what you need to hear and not what you want to hear!

Good luck....comeback sometime and tell us how it has gone.
sanity
#16 Posted : Friday, January 28, 2011 7:10:09 PM
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@winston et al,Thanks once again.Actually it is a combination of what I need to hear and what I want .I will definitely keep you guys updated.Applause
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 2:56:54 PM
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@sanity,considering the amount,investing in real estate especially commercial may be a huge mountain,tho not impossible as you could buy a smaller land say in kitengela,do 2units (2b/r and 1b/r)which cld fetch upto 25k monthly .OR You could consider getting a mortgage,am not sure how housing finance does it.
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Wendz
#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:32:41 PM
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Signature wrote:
@sanity,considering the amount,investing in real estate especially commercial may be a huge mountain,tho not impossible as you could buy a smaller land say in kitengela,do 2units (2b/r and 1b/r)which cld fetch upto 25k monthly .OR You could consider getting a mortgage,am not sure how housing finance does it.


Ngai fafa... mortgage?? without steady income? that's an express high speed coach to the hottest spot in hell...

I have seen a big building right next to main road where they are letting 2 bedroomed houses for 10k in kitengela... The board has been there for quite sometime now. Would one fetch more than that with flats around the area especially given that you will not be able to get a plot at such a strategic place at even double all the money that you have? How much are the other flats that are abit interior going for?
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:55:39 PM
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@sanity,walk the villages of kenya and find where banks havent reached.Fungua equity agencies plus combine with all other pesa agencies.The idea is, invest in a business with a running system, a franchise (kenchic inn) .Maybe after you grow your money ,invest real estate.But above all,invest your money where your heart is!
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