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Mobile price wars to derail new Constitution????
Rahatupu
#31 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 2:44:54 PM
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Is it not so clear that the money GoK earns from:
1. Fuel industry
2. Telecom sector
3. EABL
Constitute the bulk of taxes/revenue that accrues directly to the coffers? It is just coincidental that when one mentions telecoms sector in Kenya the next word in the sentence most likely would be Safaricom? So to be objective treasury will suffer. For the technocrats at treasury, a new source will have to be sought to plug the deficit maybe they tax me and you more.

alma
#32 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 2:48:43 PM
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I once sat down in a company meeting where the CEO told us that our company was so important that no one would let it go as the whole country would collapse...yada yada yada..Buy more shares!

The country was USA, the company was ENRON.

The next morning we were escorted by armed policemen out of our offices.

The lesson I learned is never believe anything coming out a CEO's mouth and there is no company so important in an economy that a major constitutional and economic crisis would ensue.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
KulaRaha
#33 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:02:28 PM
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Elder wrote:
Much Know wrote:
@alma & kularaha, you are the ones whove mentioned safaricom not me, i talked about the entire industry, its in a mess. Put aside your dislike for safcom and make an objective look at whats going down. I hope to gain from the short term fall but i still see a problem, cant celebrate other problems.


It is in a mess? How so? And why so? The only mess I see there is one dominant player who has been fleecing us for years.


Hear hear!!

What mess? We have voice, data, sms and 4 operators pulling each others pants off to please us...

Maybe its a mess for Safcom employees, or distributors...
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Wa_ithaka
#34 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:29:46 PM
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As usual we are mixing up issues.
Telecoms bring in kitu Ksh10bn tax revenue. The mbudget is now Ksh1trn which means they do diddly to tax revenue. I believe that we can

The cut in telecom prices is actually increasing the number and length of calls that we make. Therefore, although broadly mobile revenue will fall due to prices, it'll not fall by a straight line.
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selah
#35 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:37:38 PM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
As usual we are mixing up issues.
Telecoms bring in kitu Ksh10bn tax revenue. The mbudget is now Ksh1trn which means they do diddly to tax revenue. I believe that we can

The cut in telecom prices is actually increasing the number and length of calls that we make. Therefore, although broadly mobile revenue will fall due to prices, it'll not fall by a straight line.


you are just looking on the amount telcos pay you are not looking at dealers,employees who will be chucked,airtime vendors,couriers,men the list is endless.....when these companies start cost cutting measures the impact to the economy is huge dont just look at the effect on the safaricom alone look at who depend on safaricom indirectly.
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Jamani
#36 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:40:21 PM
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Extract from Nation by kisero

When the largest company on the Nairobi Stock Exchange, by market capitalisation, issues a price warning, the reverberations will be felt through the length and breadth of the capital markets.
At the end of the day, what we are dealing with is weak competition regulation. Indeed, the regulatory regime is still in its infancy. As a country, we still have very little experience and capacity in this area.
If you scrutinise the ways the laws have been crafted, you will realise the orientation of the writers of the regulations governing competition in the industry was mainly to tackle abuse of market power by the dominant player.
By bringing prices to Sh1 per minute, Airtel has committed no sin because it is not the dominant player. After all, all tariffs are approved by the government.
According to the latest study by Analysys Mason, the cost of making a mobile telephone call in Kenya is Sh1.72 per minute exclusive of taxes.
If Safaricom was the one driving prices downwards to Sh1 per minute, according to our laws and regulations, it would have been accused of engaging in predatory pricing because it is the dominant market player.
Well-informed regulation promotes growth, capital accumulation and job-creation. The mobile phone companies cannot be blamed for engaging in price wars. The culprit is the government.


Much Know
#37 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:52:14 PM
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@jamani, thanks, Kisero is obviously a well read economic analyst, NMG cannot afford to employ less, the type who say "we will spend the money elsewhere", Have some of us ever seriously sat down to ponder what constitutes money? Do you think it is just Dela rue printers in Ruaraka? Some here sound like Idi Amin when talking of money.
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Wa_ithaka
#38 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:03:20 PM
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selah wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
As usual we are mixing up issues.
Telecoms bring in kitu Ksh10bn tax revenue. The mbudget is now Ksh1trn which means they do diddly to tax revenue. I believe that we can

The cut in telecom prices is actually increasing the number and length of calls that we make. Therefore, although broadly mobile revenue will fall due to prices, it'll not fall by a straight line.


you are just looking on the amount telcos pay you are not looking at dealers,employees who will be chucked,airtime vendors,couriers,men the list is endless.....when these companies start cost cutting measures the impact to the economy is huge dont just look at the effect on the safaricom alone look at who depend on safaricom indirectly.

Where did I mention Safcom above? I thinkwe are getting carried quite a bit here.
Are subscirber numbers being reduced or increased? The answer is they are being increased. Will Kenyans talk more often and for longer? The answer is yes-yes.
The telecom industry has to evolve and actually move into broadening its revenue base to include money transfer; internet; m-commerce which they are elready doing.

The trend of lower arpu is worldwide not just Kenyan based.
Airtel wants to increase its subscriber base and there is no better to do it than to reduce prices.
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Ali Baba
#39 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:25:01 PM
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You guys are making a lot of fuss because of Airtel.At sh 1.00 within airtel network is still expensive as per world standards.In the US calls within the same network are free! So,you Safaricom(SufferinCon) shareholders give us a break.I love Airtell.God bless them!
Much Know
#40 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:34:13 PM
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@Waithaka, based on the current situation and facts your arguments are all wrong, ARPU dropped with the cutting of prices and airtel did not get new subscribers, in fact they eventually lost a number of them, research posted here earlier shows they are lying, i have not received a single airtel call this year and i cant remember for how long, maybe others have but i have not. They have just been giving away free simcards and calling them subscribers thats all, and most will attest to this.
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