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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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alma wrote:I think bitange watched too much of that niko na safaricom advert.
Ati supporting safaricom is the same as supporting the new constitution. Ergo using Bitange's warped logic, supporting Safaricom is the same as supporting Ali and Muthaura giving orders to kill innocent Kenyans... Niko na nani? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,582
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The example of distributors troubles in today’s Daily Nation is a good example of decline in spending at micro-economic levels. To impute that spending does not spur economic growth is absurd. To say that money “saved” from reduced demand driven spending on mobile calls from a bustling sturdy Kes 150billion industry and economic arm will automatically be directed to another (make me buy more tomatoes, sodas, beer e.t.c) is simply nonsense and quite dim-witted. As Kenyatta said, ignorance is anyone’s principal foe as it is clearly being illustrated here. This is a huge industry with a huge economic impact if you have ever bothered to listen to any recent report on Kenya’s economic growth. Note, apart from distributors, agents, retailers (shopkeepers)and so on, there will be a knock on effect to advertising, then to media, newspaper vendors, gamblers (who see sense in sending 70/- sms’s to 6969 but not in buying airtime to communicate), to internet and I.T, electronics and many other areas. The funny thing is within a country; all economic activities are somewhat interconnected, that’s why tourism growth/fall for example affects all and sundry not just hotels. Add this to reduced taxes then you might get a clearer picture of what is unfolding, then add the drought to this and the back office jobs (from accountants to hawkers) that airtel has transferred to India (which some here celebrate) and maybe the blind might begin to see what is ahead. Battles for economic survival have to be fought from all fronts. What of investment and interest rates, which affect economic growth, what does this drop in spending portend? When people demand stuff (100 Billion in airtime), someone has to stock this airtime, distribute e.t.c. These people several times need financing for stock, vehicles, salaries, which banks give, because it will be easily recovered, but because of the high demand for credit by these investors (traders/distributors/advertisers), the rates fall as banks compete, the banks make money. But when the 90billion spending slows, borrowing drops, banks raise rates, more people default banks put their money in government securities and government starts cutting rates to spur spending which has been reduced by a major drop in economic activity, to dot. Economies do not grow out of a vacuum, this one will hit all. Ndemo is right, Muganda is right, Chaliwong is right, Collymore is right (ni masomo). Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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@mk, hapo umed* point kama maruge watano. I have my desires 4lower calling rates SO LONG AS treasury accounts remains healthy, kenyans retain their jobs n sustain their telco-related biz TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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That's a tough one for govt. How do you control de-escalating prices Govt. has only one choice here and that is to seal the leaks and only by prosecuting thieving Ministers and govt. officials. They also should allow ministries to return surpluses to Treasury without victimisation because I know that's where most wastage occurs. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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@Much Know There you go again...equating Safaricom to Kenya While your argument has merit, it is based on some crazy logic that as long as Safaricom continues charging Kenyan citizens a lot of money, then the kenyan economy is Great and wonderful. Safaricom is NOT Kenya. Again i state. If spending less on one company is a constitutional dilemma and is bad for the economy, then this is one economics lesson I missed. I thought I had heard it all. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Much Know wrote:The example of distributors troubles in today’s Daily Nation is a good example of decline in spending at micro-economic levels. To impute that spending does not spur economic growth is absurd. To say that money “saved” from reduced demand driven spending on mobile calls from a bustling sturdy Kes 150billion industry and economic arm will automatically be directed to another (make me buy more tomatoes, sodas, beer e.t.c) is simply nonsense and quite dim-witted. As Kenyatta said, ignorance is anyone’s principal foe as it is clearly being illustrated here. This is a huge industry with a huge economic impact if you have ever bothered to listen to any recent report on Kenya’s economic growth.
Note, apart from distributors, agents, retailers (shopkeepers)and so on, there will be a knock on effect to advertising, then to media, newspaper vendors, gamblers (who see sense in sending 70/- sms’s to 6969 but not in buying airtime to communicate), to internet and I.T, electronics and many other areas. The funny thing is within a country; all economic activities are somewhat interconnected, that’s why tourism growth/fall for example affects all and sundry not just hotels. Add this to reduced taxes then you might get a clearer picture of what is unfolding, then add the drought to this and the back office jobs (from accountants to hawkers) that airtel has transferred to India (which some here celebrate) and maybe the blind might begin to see what is ahead. Battles for economic survival have to be fought from all fronts.
What of investment and interest rates, which affect economic growth, what does this drop in spending portend? When people demand stuff (100 Billion in airtime), someone has to stock this airtime, distribute e.t.c. These people several times need financing for stock, vehicles, salaries, which banks give, because it will be easily recovered, but because of the high demand for credit by these investors (traders/distributors/advertisers), the rates fall as banks compete, the banks make money. But when the 90billion spending slows, borrowing drops, banks raise rates, more people default banks put their money in government securities and government starts cutting rates to spur spending which has been reduced by a major drop in economic activity, to dot. Economies do not grow out of a vacuum, this one will hit all. Ndemo is right, Muganda is right, Chaliwong is right, Collymore is right (ni masomo).
So your telling me if fuel went to 50/= per litre, Kenya would suffer? Oh boy, I've heard it all today! Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,582
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@alma & kularaha, you are the ones whove mentioned safaricom not me, i talked about the entire industry, its in a mess. Put aside your dislike for safcom and make an objective look at whats going down. I hope to gain from the short term fall but i still see a problem, cant celebrate other problems. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/27/2010 Posts: 324 Location: nrb
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@Much Know, Good analysis. However only onesided. Youve not detailed where the savings will go to. And that is if at all, dont you also agree that people will call more and that has effects. Particularly on data, a reduction leads to much greater usage and which has myriad extrapolated effects on the economy and very much longterm.
Perhaps it could be interesting to find out comparable statistics on how much profits % telco sector generates relative to GDPs in comparable economis. But overall, I think what is happening in Kenya is just a an earning redistribution in the industry which had to happen at one time or another. I believe almost
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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Much Know wrote:@alma & kularaha, you are the ones whove mentioned safaricom not me, i talked about the entire industry, its in a mess. Put aside your dislike for safcom and make an objective look at whats going down. I hope to gain from the short term fall but i still see a problem, cant celebrate other problems. It is in a mess? How so? And why so? The only mess I see there is one dominant player who has been fleecing us for years. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/11/2009 Posts: 302
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simonkabz wrote:Let no one deceive us that a "slight shortfall" (a whooping 8%) will have negligible effect. Any budget deficit no matter how slight is to our detriment. Rem over 60% of budget is RECURRENT (almost fixed). That means the peanuts meant 4dvt will be slashed further. Constitutiom impl appears most dispensible, n I agree totally with Ndemo. NB, im nt a "rich" crusader, bt I would never vouch 4free things coz that would be the beginning of the end of our fragile economy. Thank you Thimioni. I was gasping for breadth at the insinuation that 8% is inconsequantial in revenue terms. That said though, I fear that service quality is likely to suffer. For those who discount the issue of persons employed by Safcom (ok, telecomms industry as a whole), have they considered how the Kenyan social scen is organised. In Kenya, if you emply one person, you have secured trickle down or transfer earning to many more. Check why M-PESA is popular and why it is difficult to get float in urban areas around end month.
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