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Constitution Review; Secular vs religious state
Djinn
#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:51:00 AM
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@Mkristo I am surprised and your intolerance and prejudice. Islam is not bad. I think in another post we all had advice for a lady who wanted to turn apostate and discussed some of the merits and demerits of that act. All said and done,it does not diminish any single citizens rights to allow latitude for those of the Muslim faith to have their unique legal affairs dealt with within certain acceptable parameters. It should only be a concern if you as a Christian are tried using those laws.

When people take oath in courts,its God's name that is invoked and people can request either the Bible,The Quran (or perhaps even the Torah).

I think we should be more tolerant.

The problem with equality is that we desire that it be with those that have more than us rather that those that have less
mkristo
#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:08:00 PM
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@All

Sorry,but you all seem so naive and misinformed.

That's all I can say.



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kizee
#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:14:00 PM
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dude...please stop callin us naive....the issue here is...KADHI COURTS ARE FOR LEGISLATING MATTERS BETWEEN TWO PERSONS PROFESSING THE ISLAMIC FAITH...THESE MATTERS ARE USUALLY CUSTOMARY IN NATURE....please note that the bulk of our laws are based on cannon law which were derived by st francis from the catholic church...it would be unfortunate to subject two muslims to a derivative of cannon law on a cultural matter...the issue here is...seperation of church and state....our laws also have aspects of hindu law...why not protest abt that? why not ask your bank to use cannon law in drwaing up your HP contract? if we use your argument,muslims have every right to say that the constitution is against theyr religion since its based on a certain religion... issue is the courts were already enshrined in our laws...they hav howvever been constitutionalisd.....wat issue would christians hav in this? the issue does not affect christians...
kingfisher
#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:23:00 PM
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@mkristo you are very right..........the constitution is the supreme law for everyone......muslim,christian,hindu,atheist,etc,etc and as such the constitution should treat everyone as an equal 'KENYAN CITIZEN' and not as muslim or christain or otherwise......

All those other things like dealing with Islam issues,Hindu issues should be relegated to other statutes.......they deserve no mention whatsoever in the supreme law...

In that case then other courts like 'NJUURI NCEKE' courts which are also elaborate need mention here so that 'baites' can deal with their problems at their courts as well.....

Hiyo Kadhi court itolewe!!!

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B.Timer
#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:51:00 PM
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@Mkristo

Apart from pushing for equitable treatment of all religions and faiths,it is beginning to appear to me that you have lots of other beef with Muslims and Islam.
So as to make head way in persuading people to your view point,you will need to exercise some more tolerance towards all,including Muslims.
By exhibiting what could easily pass for rabid detest for any group of people,you make all of us begin suspecting that you are also under certain measure of dogmatic colonisation of mind.

All said and done,I still maintain that Kadhis court should only be anchored in a regular act of parliament.
Finding its way into the constitution,our supreme law,is to elevate it to special status.

B.timer
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mkristo
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:57:00 PM
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@B.T

I agree with you that I need to exercise tolerance.

Forgive me but am just like that,I say it as it is,may be to my own undoing. I dont bembeleza.



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jitetee
#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:05:00 PM
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mkristo - it is less an issue of bembelezaing and more a matter of communicating.

Time and chance happen to all.
mkristo
#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:10:00 PM
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@jit

whichever way you want to view it,GET THE POINT!!!

Inclusion of Khadhi Courts in the KENYA constitution is damaging for the future of this country.

I hope that communicates



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nanfor
#19 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:20:00 PM
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Though some may wish to pretend they are different from others because of the label they paste themselves ie christian,orthodox,jew,muslim,catholic or ayatollah,they are more alike.

The problem is not the religion,the problem is EXTREMISM. This is practised by all and the starter of this post is a classic example.

Let the muslim brothers be. I have not seen any trying to convert me. However,between the 'saved' and the Jehovah's witnesses,I have had enough to last me a lifetime. I keep on telling them I am ok with my regular daily shot of JD but they tell me I will burn in hell!

I would be more worried of some saved guy moving their agenda in any constitution.

The consititution as has been explained in a post here is very clear on the limitations of the Kadhi's court. In fact,if you wish to limit their influence,that is where it should be.

Next you will be told that customary law and hindu law should be thrown out the window coz some saved guy is having a tantrum.

Aiiiii!
mkristo
#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:36:00 PM
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@friends

Thank you all for your contributions and I value your opinions.

I have heard from all of you and I read you all loud and clear,what am not sure is whether you read me,but it does not matter.

I will try to not be influenced by the Western media,i will also be tolerant of muslims and I will try to not be an extremist. Let us now put this matter to rest. Thank you very much.

Have a lovely week ahead


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