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From a Policeman's point of view
Ms Mkenya
#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:42:03 PM
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I recently interacted with a policeman who was hurt in the line of duty.

He had a healing cut on his hand which looked like it was originally quite deep. and some other cuts on his hands. So i asked him how he got the injuries. He said he held a knife that was being aimed at him close range.

The thug was eventually arrested and put in, or so he thought..until he saw the same thug a few days later on the streets. The thug did not even bother to run.

He asked me a question which i have been unable to put out of my head. To paraphrase 'Mkiona mtu ameuwawa na polisi, hakuna mtu anauliza ni nini iliendelea. Mnasema tu tunapenda risasi. Mkijua yale tunapatana nayo hamwezi ongea'

He said, some of the perennial thugs we see are people they have arrested before. As he spoke, he sounded so bitter about how we talk about 'human rights' 'lakini ni kama polisi si binadamu'

Next time you hear a story regarding the police, please remember to spare a thought for the policeman's side of the story...
....above all, to stand.
kadonye
#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 6:07:52 PM
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@Ms Mkenya, you're so right, dear!The Police are men and women, parents, sons brothers and sisters too!They may have issues but hey, they're not always wrong.Sometimes that bullet is all a policeman needs to make your country safer.But we've come to a point where Kenyans make noise before understanding the issue at hand.Then we have this mob mentality where our standpoint is always uniform and any deviants are in for insults.
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
freiks
#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:21:45 PM
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This is too true, I just could not put the topic here coz I thought I will be bashed by some wazuans to death....I have a close friend who works with flying squad and he was attacked as he went to his house at parklands... for those who have memory it was all in the papers. This guy told me he knows the guys and he had arrested them not once. For now all he is doing his healing. He is not sure he will ever be able to go chase thieves again, but am sure if he meets those guys its only a bulletthat will work. Whenever he talks he is at pains to explain why he never finished the bastards at first. These guys I always pity them and feel for them to work in an environment full of guns at the wrong hands
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wairegi
#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:26:03 PM
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a case in point mutuma the traffic police killed in kasarani a few weeks ago. He was a doting father, a university of nairobi student, and a jolly guy he was. You will also see sometimes drenched on the highway on duty all in the name of serving the nation. Next time you pass them pass a bottle of water and make their work easier
simonkabz
#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:14:37 AM
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sparkly
#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:57:13 AM
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@ms kenya, @kadonye et al, these are touching cases but let us not personalize jobs/careers. Remember there are thousands of policemen, from different divisions like regular, ap, cid, traffic, gsu, terrorism, tourist etc charged with maintaining law and order. Unlike you, they are armed to enable them do their jobs. They are responsible to arrest, investigate, detain and prosecute (on behalf of the AG). A policeman backed by the force of the law faces negligible risks in the course of duty, compared to the criminals or you and me, and should not be allowed to mete justice on anyone based on their sense of justice.
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Rahatupu
#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:23:37 AM
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@MsKenya, this testimony is very touching. Equally touching is a story of policemen meting "justice" thier way to someone I know sample this: Sometime in December, 2007 within Malindi District a well known childhood friend and popular footballer (Koki) was gunned down together with 3 other people (one of them a std 7 pupil- brother to Koki's girlfriend) while ridding on a tuktuk that Koki was piloting. The flying squad guys had a tip off that there was a gang of four people riding in a tuktuk. For those who have been to this town, the number of tuktuks is just crazy. Koki and company were shot from the back after being ordered to lay down even the pupil in uniform! A G3 gun was placed next to their bleeding bodies. The hour was around 11am in broad day light within Kisumu Ndogo area next to a building that was under construction (the fundis atop the building witnessed all the action). One of the fundis was later found shot dead in the Sabaki area when things got thick for the policemen.

There were serious demonstrations in the town for weeks. We could not bring back these guys to life. King'ori Mwangi was booed when he tried to justify the incident. By the way Koki's home is only 20 meters from the Malindi police station and almost all the cops knew him very well. (They have a cafe where these officers frequent for lunch etc). I could not believe it when I viewed the body before burial, the bullet had shattered/almost severed his head from the neck.

The story of seeking justice for his family is another sad oneSad . My point:- as Sparkly put it, these guys are well equipped, armed and highly trained in use of weapons. Then the force of the law is always on their side. Just like any other job part of it involves occupational hazards, which are unfortunate and regrettable. The right thing to do is to reform not only the police force but the entire criminal justice system, especially our rotten judiciary.

Having said that we must also remember that Kenya is fast turning out to be an activist/lobbyist state where the noise levels get higher on things that don't really need to be amplified. Remember NGO noise on the military operation in Mt. Elgon? Remember Alston on Mungiki operations?
Njung'e
#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:50:30 AM
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@Ms MKenya,
In the 90s,i used to be a great fan of Sonny Grosso's TV series TOP COPS.Dwelled on the dangers police officers are exposed to in the line of duty.It forever changed my perception of police officers.I wish a great TV station like Citizen can bring back this programme.
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livie
#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:31:47 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:


"The thug was eventually arrested and put in, or so he thought..until he saw the same thug a few days later on the streets. The thug did not even bother to run. "

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when a thug shows such overt "you cant touch me" attitude to a policeman, be very very afraid....

these are usually protected by higher up authorities .....

thats why its important to clean up the force before anything else!!!!

it is very very disheartening and frustrating trying to do right when your own colleagues are working with the enemy....even worse when you are killed by a thug whose gun he borrowed from your own colleagues!!!!

CLEAN IT UP PLEASE!!!!
If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
QD
#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:14:50 PM
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@ Livie Yes policemen are human beings who have families, love and wants to live large as other Kenyans but the salary is so small thet they find themselves trying to fend for themselves through other means hence, colleagues renting out their guns. Who will clean it up if ever? The houses are delapidated. Am not a policeman but Nikunis's group needs to do more for a better police force and increased security.
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dossy7
#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 4:56:53 PM
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However as much as the policemen are people too it's them that encourage the thieves when they are arrested they always pay for their way out so when you have been eating with them then you turn your back what do you expect police reforms is the way to go all the senior officers should be given some golden hand shake and then let to go home.
We need a new police force
Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
murenj
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:17:27 AM
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a KNH female staffer sold her matatu on check off system. the buyer started defaulting on payments, Backed by her husband, and brother, they reposesded the vehicle and parked it in their compound. the buyer rushed to the flying squad and reported a hijack. The officers arrived at the residence and sprayed bullets on all and sundry...............leaving behind orphaned kids...
Ms Mkenya
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:10:58 PM
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murenj wrote:
a KNH female staffer sold her matatu on check off system. the buyer started defaulting on payments, Backed by her husband, and brother, they reposesded the vehicle and parked it in their compound. the buyer rushed to the flying squad and reported a hijack. The officers arrived at the residence and sprayed bullets on all and sundry...............leaving behind orphaned kids...


That is the KNH staffer's point of view..And it assumes that she/he was not a thief.. and that they did not try to shoot at the police..Did anyone tell you the policeman's view??

All i was saying in this thread is, give the policeman's view a thought/hearing. Sometimes, maybe more often than we care, they may be justified in what they do. And just for the record, i am not a cop!
....above all, to stand.
gogeta
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:20:58 PM
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In all the situations where i have spoken to a policeman, its always because of something that they did that was not supposed to be done or something they did not do that they were supposed to do. Someone has to convince me that all policemen are not evil pple.
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murenj
#15 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:05:33 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
murenj wrote:
a KNH female staffer sold her matatu on check off system. the buyer started defaulting on payments, Backed by her husband, and brother, they reposesded the vehicle and parked it in their compound. the buyer rushed to the flying squad and reported a hijack. The officers arrived at the residence and sprayed bullets on all and sundry...............leaving behind orphaned kids...


That is the KNH staffer's point of view..And it assumes that she/he was not a thief.. and that they did not try to shoot at the police..Did anyone tell you the policeman's view??

All i was saying in this thread is, give the policeman's view a thought/hearing. Sometimes, maybe more often than we care, they may be justified in what they do. And just for the record, i am not a cop!

they were not armed.
alma
#16 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:58:11 PM
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Sorry to burst your bubble but I don't know of any HONEST policeman.

My experience with them is that they are just a bunch of trigger happy neanderthals. Of course this is just my point of view. Maybe the policemen you are mentioning above did not follow the law when arresting the suspect. Slapped him a bit etc....Now who says that's not true?

When we get professional policemen who SERVE the public, then I will join in this "policeman sanctification" process.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
kyt
#17 Posted : Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:15:19 PM
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Amen to that @ alma.
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Tommy
#18 Posted : Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:17:08 PM
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this issue needs to be approached soberly, but i blame it all on corruption. who said a criminal should be shot at on sight? who said that police guns are for hire? who said that we should have corrupt individuals for cops?. alot is desired to be seen
Don't wait for the Last Judgment. It happens every day. ~Albert Camus, The Fall, 1956
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