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Nairobi One of the safest cities in africa ???
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:13:30 PM
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That is the biggest joke i have ever heard in my life. Addis ababa, Gaborone,Daker Senegal are some of the safe cities in Africa. Kampala is even safer than Nairobi.
Rahatupu
#22 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 11:56:54 AM
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I bet we (Kenyans)whine so much more than other Africans especially those of us who have been out of Kenya into Europe and US. The report is comparative in nature so those insinuating that it could be inaccurate wameze wembe!

I've been on security assignments to W.Africa (Liberia, S.Leaone) and to Naijja, Ghana. The levels of crime in Liberia are so low as compared to the population size it just amazed me. Note something else our police force as discredited as it is is far better equipped, trained and disciplined than in Land of Liberty and Naijja. But truth be said Addis is much safer.

Above all Kenya is not an ideal state and so to expect zero crime is unrealistic.
Um Sayala
#23 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:55:15 PM
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May be we could start by asking where the rain started beating us from. A society builds institutons and sets standards by which it leaves. If Addis, Kampala or Khrtm are safer, its because the society there chose to, and did not condone bad elements. The problem with our country is pretence/fallacy. The thugs are amidst us, we are proud of thieves because they are our relatives or tribesmen. we celebrate when we bribe our way into employment, or call Ocampo names coz our man has been named. It is the society we've built, lets leave by it.
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Rahatupu
#24 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:29:08 PM
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Um Sayala wrote:
May be we could start by asking where the rain started beating us from. A society builds institutons and sets standards by which it leaves. If Addis, Kampala or Khrtm are safer, its because the society there chose to, and did not condone bad elements. The problem with our country is pretence/fallacy. The thugs are amidst us, we are proud of thieves because they are our relatives or tribesmen. we celebrate when we bribe our way into employment, or call Ocampo names coz our man has been named. It is the society we've built, lets leave by it.
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Intelligentsia
#25 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 4:11:24 PM
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@Rahatupu, what about Zanzibar? What are their crime stats?
I was there 2 months ago and was amazed that tourists move around deep in those narrow streets freely as late as 9pm!
Methinks there's a strong direct relationship between type of religion in an area and its level of crime...
Cicero
#26 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 4:34:10 PM
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Intelligentsia wrote:
@Rahatupu, what about Zanzibar? What are their crime stats?
I was there 2 months ago and was amazed that tourists move around deep in those narrow streets freely as late as 9pm!
Methinks there's a strong direct relationship between type of religion in an area and its level of crime...


SPOT ON! SPOT ON!

Religion & crime (especially when that crime is stealing or reaping where you hare not sown) are twin brothers. BUT i guess it's more like "the more superficial your hold on your religion is, the more likely to be tempted into crime you are". There isnt much "stick" in some religions which allows some people sit in the front pew (or completely at the front facing the congregation) to steal your land and your money and still manage to look holly all in one day. It amazes me so i decided not to be religious at all ... rather to do what is right to my fellow citizens!
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:16:55 PM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
This depends all on who you ask - if you got carjacked at some point you definitely don't believe it. I personally have never had my house broken into or got carjacked. But I always have this fear that it could happen anytime esp. carjacking and that fear makes me feel like Nairobi is not a safe city. Maybe we have nothing to fear but fear itself.
Used to live in a bungalow. Crooks came in from the 'open' roof. So covered the area with a roof which led to poor movement of air...
Then the bastards cut the grills! I kid you not... They cut 2 bars [while it was raining] then bent them...
So we moved some flats. They followed one of the residents in at night [no lights on our street. Thanks NCC]. They managed to enter one of the blocks & robbed who they could before the alarm was raised...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sheep
#28 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:09:04 AM
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Allow me to digress a bit on the matter of the right of the people to defend themselves....coz police wameshindwa kazi....Government of the people for the people should allow citizens to owns firearms...but africans have no sense of liberty,always trusting the powers that be for their well being...to deprive the people the right to defend themselves is a human right violation.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"-Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."-- Mahatma Gandhi

When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state"-- Robert A. Heinlein.

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"-- George Washington
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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#29 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:50:40 PM
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interesting quotes... very true and factual.. though most of these were independence struggle leaders.. there is a 1 in a million chance that firearms can be 'liberalised' here..

issues of fact being that you can own a firearm in Kenya legally if you want..

first of course you have to be able to afford the gun and also afford the license to hold it..

to be licensed to hold it i am sure there must be some expensive handling lessons involved..

but i do not think it solves the root matter...

the times i mentioned i have been carjacked this year.. the level of tactic displayed by the carjackers puts hollywood actors to shame.. mostly because the security agencies.. trained with taxpayers money are involved..

i recall the second time.. the car blocked me and on the count of 3, all 4 doors of the carjackers car opened and i was staring straight into 2 well aimed pistols.. another 2 armed guys rushed at us starting with the passengers in the rear and moving to the front inspecting us for any arms..

i highly doubt if i had a gun it would have helped me..
obiero
#30 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:06:32 PM
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