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Manifest Nonsense!!!!
bepari
#11 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 8:35:28 AM
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tukubaliane Ocampo ni kelele tu,he set out to make kenya an example without reviewing the evidence.sasa ona.
if you aint livin on the edge,you are taking too much space....
newfarer
#12 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 8:59:20 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Forget the politics, forget your feelings about who you think is guilty or not. Look at the merits of this case from the eyes of a judge sitting in the Hague and who does not know whether Kenya is in Nairobi or Nairobi is in Kenya, does not know who ODM or PNU are and has never heard of Ruto, Uhuru, Muthaura, Sang, Kosgey or Ali and you will agree that the case this Moreno fellow has presented is manifest nonsense.

The incompetence exhibited here by this individual is shocking to say the least. I had my doubts about him from the beginning when he could not express himself clearly in English but I gave him the benefit of the doubt thinking that maybe he thought more clearly in his native Spanish but alas the dumbness in him is real. I am no Lawyer but I remember having discussions with Law students and even an average 2nd year Law Student at Parklands will tell you that this:

http://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc985613.pdf
http://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc985621.pdf

is rubbish. This kind of presentation would not pass a 2nd year Law exam leave alone be fit for presentation to an international court. This man is a disgrace to the ICC. He would not light a candle to such prosecutors as Carla Del Ponte of the United Nations Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia and Rwanda. If the judges accept this and issue summons it will just confirm to my mind that this ICC thing is just a circus because from a serious judicial process it is embarassingly substandard.




During this time, he was also an Associate Professor of criminal law at the University of Buenos Aires and a visiting professor at Stanford University and Harvard Law School.[1]

Source: wikipedia


Kusadikika ,Ocampo is actually a DR

here is his CV

http://www.europarl.euro...03/20100323ocampo_en.pdf
punda amecheka
newfarer
#13 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 9:02:29 AM
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[quote=masukuma]@newfarer... Taylor was prosecuted by Stephen Rapp. Ocampo botched a militia leader's open and shut case...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lubanga[/quote]

On 21 April 2003, Moreno-Ocampo was elected unopposed as the first Prosecutor of the new International Criminal Court.[2][3] He was sworn in for a nine-year term on 16 June 2003. As of February 2009, he has opened investigations into four situations: Northern Uganda, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic and Darfur.[6] The court has issued public arrest warrants for twelve people; six of them remain free, two have died, and four are in custody.
Hata ukijaribu kuzima taa ya Ocampo , Ni kibaya
punda amecheka
gohill
#14 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 9:21:03 AM
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Rahatupu
#15 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 10:11:04 AM
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@Kusadikika, this prosecutor may not be perfect. Give me one of our own who is. The mix up and use of PNU-ODM instead of Kalenjin/Luo etc versus Kikuyu/Kissii etc is pathetic. He could introduce simmering historical background of "tribal clashes could make his charge sheet more credible" That said I beg to differ with your interpretation.

One thing that Kenyan lawyers have perfected with our twisted judiciary is the use of procedural and technical arguments to defeat justice, here justice is often time justice for the accused and never for the victim. Contextual arguments as one mentioned by Magigi can't get anywhere at ICC. Most importantly he can overcome all this by pointing out in his opening arguments that... "PNU supporters" in this context and foregoing arguments denotes Kikuyu/Kissii/Meru... ethnic groups or tribe whereas "ODM supporters refers to Kalenjin/Luo/Luhya.... ethnic group or tribe...".d'oh!
selah
#16 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 10:14:30 AM
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Has anybody seen Ndura waruinge (former mungiki leader)lately if I was Uhuru I will be sweating like a ^$%#$%$#$%.

The ICC cases will mostly be based on witness account and some incriminating statements.
'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
B.Timer
#17 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 10:26:50 AM
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masukuma wrote:
do people know what the local tribunal was supposed to be? its not a court!!

another chink (look at this incompetence)...considering PNU was formed on 16 September 2007 and in 2006, akina Ruto were in ODM-KENYA then before they bought a party from Mugambi Imanyara and defected to it on 15 August 2007.

thus the statement As early as December 2006, WILLIAM SAMOEI RUTO ("RUTO") and HENRY KIPRONO KOSGEY ("KOSGEY"), prominent leaders of the Orange Democratic Movement ("ODM") political party, began preparing a criminal plan to attack those identified as supporters of the Party of National Unity ("PNU"). is contextually wrong.

since you cannot be a leader of a party you have not joined and plan attacks on members of a hitherto non-existent party.
it should read.....
As early as December 2006, WILLIAM SAMOEI RUTO ("RUTO") and HENRY KIPRONO KOSGEY ("KOSGEY"), prominent leaders of the Kalenjin tribe, began preparing a criminal plan to attack those identified as belonging to the Kikuyu and Kisii tribes IN RIFT VALLEY. is correct.

these fellows are incompetent coz they know nothing about Kenya...Nothing.




You stole my words.
Thanks a lot Mr Masuks!

@Kusandikika
I am inclined to agree.
Ocampo is begginning to sound like he doesnt have much stuff between his two large ears.
At the very preliminary stages the charge sheet is likely to be ruled as defective. Especially on the basis of what Masuks says above.
The suspects will forever harp on that.

A case of dead on arrival!
Dunia ni msongamano..
gohill
#18 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 10:28:30 AM
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selah wrote:
Has anybody seen Ndura waruinge (former mungiki leader)lately if I was Uhuru I will be sweating like a ^$%#$%$#$%.

The ICC cases will mostly be based on witness account and some incriminating statements.



Waah. Makes sense.
poundfoolish
#19 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 10:36:37 AM
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kelele nyingi muache...

are you a lawyer if not could you guys please go line up at your former primary schools, secondary schools and ask for just your English portion of the school fees...

are these arguments based on law or semantics and linguistics...

arent the two currently leaders of ODM, werent they leaders of ODM in 2007/08

KELELE KELELE
Goliath
#20 Posted : Friday, December 17, 2010 10:50:22 AM
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I would not dismiss the Application seeing as almost 60 of 80 pages are blacked out...
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