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POST-MORTEM OF OCAMPO 6 NAMING...
PONDI
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:51:08 AM
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murenj has nailed it. i think wiper stands to gain the most from the actions of ocampo and co...
simonkabz
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:57:25 AM
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Kaloozer? Dnt think so. He is still regarded as a traitor by many.
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YesuWangu
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:57:40 AM
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murenj wrote:
I have a feeling that this is the start of a long journey. With trials starting in 2012, when Baks is safely out of the way, ocampo night cut a deal with UK and Muthaura to Implicate KIBAKI then WHAM.......by then, he will be too insignificant to cause instability. Raila's will be a silent arrest warrant. He will find himself arrested in one of the european countries,


Murenj, but do you think Ocampo is interested in local politics or proving his criminal cases?

I think the man has his own reputation as a criminal prosecutor to think of. He has instituted proceedings against the 6 he will see the cases through without looking to the left or right to political distractions and political deal cutting.

Enough of 'mights' or 'maybes', he has got evidence against the 6 and that is what counts.
masukuma
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:17:38 AM
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@YesuWangu, don't be naive...this story has more to it than just 'criminal cases'
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YesuWangu
#15 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:34:39 AM
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Masukuma, maybe I am naive, but at least I am not the one doing complex permutations, calculating if the sky will fall on my head in 2012, maybe loosing sleep and calm in the process, crossing bridges that still don't exist. Because that is what it is.

bird_man
#16 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:46:58 AM
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Kenyans hawawezi saidika!Why are some people talking about 2012 and "who stands to gain the most".....
It's about JUSTICE for the IDPs languishing in the camps,people who had jobs and businesses like you and me but are now reduced to zero.It's about those who lost mothers,fathers,brothers and sisters in the chaos....not 2012!!
I wish every one of those politicians could become president for one term each....it's then that you would realize that the difference is the same.
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
masukuma
#17 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:51:22 AM
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@YesuWangu, Let me ask...do you sincerely think (wish) that chaos will not occur if we have a narrow election in 2012?
the IIEC or its successor will be brought to a test - a test they have not yet passed since all Bye Elections and the past referendum have been relatively one sided.
Chaos will not ensue IF AND ONLY IF people accept that they can LOOSE. thats why there are ELECTIONS. Until that is sorted....any narrow election will be hot. regardless of what that document called the constitution says...it may be a new Kenya but its the same old KENYANS.
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YesuWangu
#18 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:04:46 AM
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I agree bird_man. Ocampo named the 6 in retrospect to 2007/2008 and even earlier as he shocks us. Its the accused who introduced the 2012 aspect to us and baited us and surprise surprise....we latched on! Sigh.....

Brother Masukuma, good point you give. What can we do to get Kenyans from focusing on 2012, politics and elections on every single thing every single day including crime?

I suggest we look at the accused in the light of the omissions and commissions they did in 2007/2008 or before. And not 2012 and the coming elections. Please.

Otherwise, its impossible to assist a people who don't want to be assisted.
nostoppingthis
#19 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:17:24 AM
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bird_man wrote:
Kenyans hawawezi saidika!Why are some people talking about 2012 and "who stands to gain the most".....
It's about JUSTICE for the IDPs languishing in the camps,people who had jobs and businesses like you and me but are now reduced to zero.It's about those who lost mothers,fathers,brothers and sisters in the chaos....not 2012!!
I wish every one of those politicians could become president for one term each....it's then that you would realize that the difference is the same.


Is a KK alliance possible (bila the eastern KK)?
Kaigangio
#20 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:33:12 AM
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@ all,

looking at that list of six critically, to any ordinary voter, it is the kikuyus and the kalenjins only who are featuring prominently but Ali...the questions that beg for answers are to the voters:

1. was the PEV executed by the KK only as it seems the KK was the axis of evil at the time?

2. if not why are there not others who contributed equally to the ones listed while their roles are already known?

if RAO can answer the above questions satisfactorily then he is safe...

as at the moment and having a rough idea as to how the kalenjins operate, RAO in the notorious north rift is now a non entity...simply put, he betrayed them iredeemably to the extent that he handed over their warrior or leaders (read ruto and kosgey)to the Hague. you see here RAO should never have held the closed door meeting with Ocampo recently when he came visiting...he did not disclose the agenda of that meeting to anybody...and to any ordinary voter the meeting was meant to persuade Ocampo to lock out the KK (read Uhuru and ruto) from the presidential race in 2012. this renders credence to the notion that the list was tailored to suit a political ambition of an individual...RAO..that meeting was a mistake that RAO will pay dearly. as for the rest of kalenjins still in ODM with RAO, pressure will start mounting on them (if it has not started yet) from their constituents to abardon RAO and whoever goes against this wish will be termed a betrayer...please note that any politician with a presidential ambition cannot afford to ignore the combined KK block no matter what!

as for kalonzo...he may think that he could steal the limelight from ruto and uhuru by freely inheriting their block...that is not the case because he has proofed beyond any shadow of doubt that he is unreliable. his political actions gives the image of an individual who could easily betray his compatriots without thinking twice. he swings just like a pendulum and his political stand is never known even unto himself...that is what the electorate does not want...believe it or not, it is actually uhuru and ruto who will approve the individual to be supported by the KK...

as for the iron lady martha karua, her biggest problem is her genda...she may actually be having some really juicy and good intentions for the country in her presidency. she may not get a sizeable approval from her compatriots in the central region due to the male dominance attitude...in order to build that needed recognition to national level, she would require to work extremely hard...
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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