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STOCKS TO SELL by yaserbigchair
guru267
#281 Posted : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:59:04 PM
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Anyone who said they bought the rights at 1.50-0.5 is telling a blatant lie which is sad

If it were possible for anyone in the public to get the rights at that price then why is the share trading at 23....

The arbitrage between the share price and the rights shows the rights traded at that price were not available to you and me but to selected institutions...

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#282 Posted : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:08:06 PM
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yaserbigchair wrote:
@Tommy and Guru and Vituvingi and yes ALL!

Check the rights!

They are now trading at 0.5 ONLY!

KEEP WATCHING AND KEEP LEARNING!

@YBC your back again conveniently when the price has fallen...

You will shout SELL SELL SELL all the way to 2030...

Then I'll probably sell to you but at no less than 250 bob
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
PKoli
#283 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:02:27 AM
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Looks the government offloaded most of the rights today. Guys who got at 0.5 kes are lucky. When the shares come to the market they will comfortably sell at 24 bob and still smile.that is over 16% profit.
PKoli
#284 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:12:06 AM
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@guru267,
I have just seen my email, I did get a huge chunk of rights @KES 0.5 each.
Fomoney
#285 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:22:33 AM
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@guru if @pkoli got their rights @.50 why are you so sure they're lying?
guru267
#286 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:19:43 AM
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Fomoney wrote:
@guru if @pkoli got their rights @.50 why are you so sure they're lying?


Ok let me rephrase.

I don't think if the public could get their hands on G.O.K rights at 0.5 premium the share would be still trading at 23 which is a 3.5 premium...

Plus the high for the rights on the day was 2.85 and the low 0.5....

This means the public who were buying rights from other shareholders were buying at 2.85 and G.O.K rights sold to selected institutions at 0.5 not to the public...

The 0.5 deals were already pre planned and executed...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
jerry
#287 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:24:01 AM
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@guru. What difference is there between pre-planned sale of gok rights at throw away prices and those who pre-planned PEV? There is also this cheap argument that gok can do or is free to sell her rts to whomever! Why should they deny us the right to buy rts publicly so that the 'undertakers' can have them later? We need PLO to investigate.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
selah
#288 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:57:45 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Anyone who said they bought the rights at 1.50-0.5 is telling a blatant lie which is sad

If it were possible for anyone in the public to get the rights at that price then why is the share trading at 23....

The arbitrage between the share price and the rights shows the rights traded at that price were not available to you and me but to selected institutions...



I was at dyer and blair yesterday at 3.00pm and people were buying the rights at 20.50 I.e 1 bob they closed the sale at 4.30 without telling those in the queue about the deadline(4.30) by the time I was to be served it was 5 pm we were told selling of rights was over we could only buy the shares at 22.50 we protested but they said they had announced about the deadline, but all we could see was the 6.30pm deadline ....I think we were played.
'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
My 2 cents
#289 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:20:13 AM
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Selah why did you wait until the very last minute? I got my rights at 1.50 bob in the morning. Granted I would might have got them at 0.5 in the afternoon but this would not have been guaranteed. I am ok with the 1.5
selah
#290 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:46:33 AM
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My 2 cents wrote:
Selah why did you wait until the very last minute? I got my rights at 1.50 bob in the morning. Granted I would might have got them at 0.5 in the afternoon but this would not have been guaranteed. I am ok with the 1.5


The point I am trying to drive is there was some sinister plan.why would one dump such huge volumes of rights In the last minute and then lock out retail bargain hunters like us.

I think Institutional investors bought the rights at a very low price making the retail investors miss the bargain.
'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
My 2 cents
#291 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:50:22 AM
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It was apparent there was going to be something fishy right from the start. I remember asking someone to clarify at the AGM how the govt rights would be treated but he just received a so-so answer from KPLC's MD.

Daylight thievery.
VituVingiSana
#292 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:21:42 AM
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My 2 cents wrote:
It was apparent there was going to be something fishy right from the start. I remember asking someone to clarify at the AGM how the govt rights would be treated but he just received a so-so answer from KPLC's MD.

Daylight thievery.
Pole sana! These should have been put out there on the Board from the beginning... Not on the last day! On the other hand, why wait till the last minute? Queuing up to buy Rights at 3pm on the last day???
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#293 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:23:03 AM
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jerry wrote:
@guru. What difference is there between pre-planned sale of gok rights at throw away prices and those who pre-planned PEV? There is also this cheap argument that gok can do or is free to sell her rts to whomever! Why should they deny us the right to buy rts publicly so that the 'undertakers' can have them later? We need PLO to investigate.



@jerry just because an action is unethical doesn't make it illegal..

I believe what Gova did was in the best interest of current shareholders...

Selling to institutions rather than retail guys is more likely to provide stability to the price since they usually have a long term approach rather than the speculation that is rife among retail investors...

Now the rights that lapsed belong to the eligible shareholders first and then centum and equity are next in line...

Either way.. Rights will be oversubscribed..
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Fomoney
#294 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:27:17 AM
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of course it was robbery, @guru hold your horses on this.
guru267
#295 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:33:34 AM
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Fomoney wrote:
of course it was robbery, @guru hold your horses on this.


Look here guys i personally as a shareholder would not like to have seen the shareholder list jump from 7 thousand to 50 thousand just because the rights issue was available to every tom dick and harry...

Gova made the perfect move that was expected of them by current shareholders because now their rights are available to us and the rest untaken to only centum and equity... Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
sheep
#296 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:35:18 AM
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are we sure its some institutions or some big fishes? I believe that rather than give stability,they will make the share more volatile...I believe they are waiting to cash in at 20-30% gains...so there will be very heavy supply at this levels that will keep the rise of this watered down stock in check.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
guru267
#297 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:41:01 AM
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sheep wrote:
are we sure its some institutions or some big fishes? I believe that rather than give stability,they will make the share more volatile....


I believe they were sold to institutions with a long term strategy who know that

By 2014 there is a target output of 2,500MW

And by 2025 15,000MW

If current output of 1,100 MW yields 39billion revenues i wonder what the above targets will produce.
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
selah
#298 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:43:45 AM
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Are the shareholders allowed to transfer their rights till 22 dec.If its allowed then there must be a black market somewhere where people are transferring their rights at a premium.
'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
sheep
#299 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:14:29 AM
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guru267 wrote:
sheep wrote:
are we sure its some institutions or some big fishes? I believe that rather than give stability,they will make the share more volatile....


I believe they were sold to institutions with a long term strategy who know that

By 2014 there is a target output of 2,500MW

And by 2025 15,000MW

If current output of 1,100 MW yields 39billion revenues i wonder what the above targets will produce.


those are just projections...do you remember electricity for all by yr 2000? si ilipita...it will be more like 2500MW by 2025.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
guru267
#300 Posted : Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:24:53 AM
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sheep wrote:
those are just projections...do you remember electricity for all by yr 2000? si ilipita...it will be more like 2500MW by 2025.


Well @sheep in 2000 we were under M.O.1 and there was no new constitution... 2014 is near so we'll be able to judge soon enough.

then again every stock has its haters lakini tunawapenda wote...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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