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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 1,793
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>> @mtu Biz, My answer borders on simplicity....interment of dead bodies traditionally comprised throwing them in the bush, where the person would continue living happily as bushes. if a dead body is thrown in a river and is eaten by fish, and the fish ends up on our table, is it right to say that person is living through us as nutrients? Organically a person doesn't die, just change in matter. Why do people insist on planting flowers on graves? maybe to let the person continue living. Spiritually, there is a God....who is associated with Light, the life giver. Maybe its right to say that SUN is supreme, for without it life would stop...it pisses me off when someone tells me to keep open mind, but Re-read the post with an OPEN MIND.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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sheep wrote:haiya! Kuna people who believe we came from the primodial soup!!! The very fact im alive proves there is a supreme intelligence and evil proves there is an antagonist...whichever way we are pulled,we become like...I believe in God...honestly if you dont it means you declare all history as false...then we can say ther were no such men as alexander the great,julius ceasre,plato,isaac newton(all his discoveries of the law of gravity,motion were all fabrications)etc...that everything that we havent witnessed in our lifetimes cant be truth....oh if i could only prove i actually dont exist! So sheep, what informs this view ?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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ProverB wrote:hi..
unfortunately for you..all my references are based on the Bible..so if it is a problem..u might as well ignore this post Read my previous posts.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Much Know wrote:Why do people skirt around this topic? Are the answers religion offers truly satisfactory or are they escapist just as people appear to avoid the questions here and take up the easiest route. To Quote Brav:
"What if God does exist and He offers an awesome future beyond the grave, not taught by the religions and philosophies of men????????????"
Can what if's form the basis of belief, i think so.
So in your view, what ifs do form the basis for your belief ama unasemaje?? Much Know wrote:
I do not practice any religion, but i do not condemn or chastise those that do. From what i can see, we have no concrete proof of anything, and one is left to judge and decide for themselves, and believe in what they are led to believe. I just don't believe in any religion and most of religions claims, it does not mean i don't believe in "something more" to our existence.
@ much know. 'Something more' is pretty ambiguous... so what do YOU think will happen when you and i eventually die?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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kenmac wrote:>> @mtu Biz, My answer borders on simplicity....interment of dead bodies traditionally comprised throwing them in the bush, where the person would continue living happily as bushes. if a dead body is thrown in a river and is eaten by fish, and the fish ends up on our table, is it right to say that person is living through us as nutrients? Organically a person doesn't die, just change in matter. Why do people insist on planting flowers on graves? maybe to let the person continue living.
@kenmac Interesting view. Do you think it is possible to verify if this position is TRUE not just right? kenmac wrote:
Spiritually, there is a God....who is associated with Light, the life giver. Maybe its right to say that SUN is supreme, for without it life would stop...it pisses me off when someone tells me to keep open mind, but Re-read the post with an OPEN MIND.
@ kenmac interesting. Do YOU associate this God with light? Im just thinking... if there was no oxygen life would stop. Is oxygen also supreme ?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/12/2010 Posts: 1,199 Location: Eastlander
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Mtu Biz wrote:ProverB wrote:hi..
unfortunately for you..all my references are based on the Bible..so if it is a problem..u might as well ignore this post Read my previous posts. continue therefore with my post.  ..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/12/2010 Posts: 1,199 Location: Eastlander
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Mtu Biz wrote: kenmac wrote:Spiritually, there is a God....who is associated with Light, the life giver. Maybe its right to say that SUN is supreme, for without it life would stop...it pisses me off when someone tells me to keep open mind, but Re-read the post with an OPEN MIND. @ kenmac interesting. Do YOU associate this God with light? Im just thinking... if there was no oxygen life would stop. Is oxygen also supreme ?  Tehehehehehehe! i love the way u think. ..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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[quote=Mtu Biz 'Something more' is pretty ambiguous... so what do YOU think will happen when you and i eventually die?[/quote] I think we will stop thinking and start KNOWING  I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,070
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Mtu Biz wrote:
Last time i checked, human mortality is still steady at 100%.
That being the case, what do YOU think or suppose happens after we die?
What informs your view above?
Short answers please. Asanta.
When you die you are DEAD. You cease to exist. It is that simple. Make peace with this fact.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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My 2 cents wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:
Last time i checked, human mortality is still steady at 100%.
That being the case, what do YOU think or suppose happens after we die?
What informs your view above?
Short answers please. Asanta.
When you die you are DEAD. You cease to exist. It is that simple. Make peace with this fact. @My2 hmmm... i wonder what makes what you have said a fact.... care to elaborate?
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bwenyenye wrote:[quote=Mtu Biz
'Something more' is pretty ambiguous... so what do YOU think will happen when you and i eventually die? I think we will stop thinking and start KNOWING [/quote] I think so too, that is we will 'know' when it happens... Interesting, that you will only KNOW if there is anything after this life when you well... die! Is there any credible source (other than what we think might be true)we can turn to that can give us some idea about the existence or the non existence of life after death?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Ok. Say there is no life after death, and death is an absolute certainty.. is it fair to say that there is no point in living other than for serious self indulgence? Or say that there is life or 'change in consciousness' after death.. is there any one who can point me to some credible truth on this? Anyone.... ?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=Mtu Biz I think so too, that is we will 'know' when it happens... Interesting, that you will only KNOW if there is anything after this life when you well... die! Is there any credible source (other than what we think might be true)we can turn to that can give us some idea about the existence or the non existence of life after death? [/quote] @Mtu, If you view truth as absolute and not subjective, then you may believe the sources quoted above. However, if you need some real life experiences, then CLICK HERE
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,070
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Mtu Biz wrote:
Ok.
Say there is no life after death, and death is an absolute certainty.. is it fair to say that there is no point in living other than for serious self indulgence?
Anyone.... ?
So what if there is no life after death? Why does this distress you so? Make your own meaning in this short life. For you there being no life after death may mean serious indulgence; for a second person it may mean wanting to making a positive difference in some meaningful way. It is all up to you. Define and live your life's purpose.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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My 2 cents wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:
Ok.
Say there is no life after death, and death is an absolute certainty.. is it fair to say that there is no point in living other than for serious self indulgence?
Anyone.... ?
So what if there is no life after death? Why does this distress you so? Make your own meaning in this short life. For you there being no life after death may mean serious indulgence; for a second person it may mean wanting to making a positive difference in some meaningful way. It is all up to you. Define and live your life's purpose. If its all up to me or us...then whey are there laws and why is there morality ? Wont the law limit MY idea of serious self indulgence ?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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[quote=Mtu Biz Do YOU associate this God with light? Im just thinking... if there was no oxygen life would stop. Is oxygen also supreme ? [/quote] In fact, CO2 is supreme, it makes you to breath! CO2 is the raw material for photosynthesis! the 'food' for the plant, the herbivores and then the carnivores. did the 'big bang' also set of all these processes? Why are we not 'evolving' to something else today? What is the purpose of life, if all one is waiting for, is death? I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Death is a thought, like any other.
The body that dies is the idea that must die.
What is life? It's the bubbling, the bubble, the bursting, the movement, and the stillness of the ocean.
Therefore dying is life. Death is life.
Living is dying. And dying is living.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Humans have always known about God.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,549
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Mtu Biz wrote:Much Know wrote:Why do people skirt around this topic? Are the answers religion offers truly satisfactory or are they escapist just as people appear to avoid the questions here and take up the easiest route. To Quote Brav:
"What if God does exist and He offers an awesome future beyond the grave, not taught by the religions and philosophies of men????????????"
Can what if's form the basis of belief, i think so.
So in your view, what ifs do form the basis for your belief ama unasemaje?? Much Know wrote:
I do not practice any religion, but i do not condemn or chastise those that do. From what i can see, we have no concrete proof of anything, and one is left to judge and decide for themselves, and believe in what they are led to believe. I just don't believe in any religion and most of religions claims, it does not mean i don't believe in "something more" to our existence.
@ much know. 'Something more' is pretty ambiguous... so what do YOU think will happen when you and i eventually die? What if i wont ever die? Meru Holiness
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