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What are the advantages of building with machine-cut stone blocks?
ndarugostone
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:46:03 PM
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The growth in building industry has been revolutionized by the popular demand of machine dressed stones.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of machine cut stone blocks?
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fantony
#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:10:09 PM
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when we carried out experiments on the machine cut stones last year a good proportion was very weak with a crushing strength of less than 5 N/mm2..

this essentially placed them below the crushing strength of matofali.. stabilised earth blocks etc..

The machine cut stones are only good for the infill for reinforced structural systems.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:17:26 PM
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Besides their crushing strength ,on average, being lower than the recommended 7N/mm2 they are also too porous. Their water absorption ratio is higher than allowable. They are therefore not ideal for use in substructure walling.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:44:53 AM
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I concur with the above in terms of their strength and porosity and as sed they are not suitable for foundations. In terms of wastage, they can also cost u a lot as they are brittle and usually break at the slightest impact while handling them. But if u manage to get the stones which are cut deeper from the ground surface u are likely to get stronger ones

However, due to their uniformity, machine cut stones have advantages in terms of labour i.e. u wunt need fundis to chonga them to make them regular. In addition, u get savings in the mortar for bedding and jointing them.

If u use machine cut, you also save on the plaster as u will not require to do a thick plaster because of their uniformity. If done neatly, they also form walls which are aesthetically appealing.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:14:43 PM
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Good discussion this is
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:34:42 PM
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So is it recommended that they are not used at all, or can one use the regular quarry stones for the foundation and perimeter walls and use these for the internal walls ?
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#7 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:46:49 PM
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And what are the comparative costs between machine-cut stones and the ordinary quarry ones?
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#8 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:12:03 PM
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i think people got it wrong here, machine cut stones are used cause they are cheap...period...nothing to do porosity, crushing strength aesthetics..just the cost, its cheaper to chonga mawe with machines than with human labour..thus they are cheaper than the manually cut stones

For porosity & strength, its the type of stone used
For aesthetics, i have seen stones chongwad by a fundi using some axe and i could have sworn it was machine cut..

And by the way, machine cut stones are still quarry stones, but now cut with a machine.

For strenth one can used precast concrete blocks...
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#9 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:42:30 PM
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jguru wrote:
And what are the comparative costs between machine-cut stones and the ordinary quarry ones?


Depends on where you are.Machine cut stones go for 27-30 bob a piece (8"X8"X16") while Quarry stones range between 11 and 14 bob for 9"X 9"X12"/9"X9"X12".When you throw in the cost of dressing,the cost approaches 20 bob a foot and compares well with machined stones....IMHO,i would go for quarry stones for the substructure and machined stones for superstructure.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:48:24 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
jguru wrote:
And what are the comparative costs between machine-cut stones and the ordinary quarry ones?


Depends on where you are.Machine cut stones go for 27-30 bob a piece (8"X8"X16") while Quarry stones range between 11 and 14 bob for 9"X 9"X12"/9"X9"X12".When you throw in the cost of dressing,the cost approaches 20 bob a foot and compares well with machined stones....IMHO,i would go for quarry stones for the substructure and machined stones for superstructure.


elaborate further for building amateurs.Pray Pray
superstructure is ....Masterhouse ????

Substructure is.....sewer/septic tank /servant quarter?????
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Njung'e
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:58:04 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .....I am not a builder though.This stuff was taught to akina Mwenza and Pablosmile

Substructure = Foundation walls.
Superstructure = Structure above the foundation.

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Capri
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:37:01 PM
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fresher2010 wrote:

And by the way, machine cut stones are still quarry stones, but now cut with a machine.


Can the machine cut those hard blueish quarry stones ? Zile zikigongwa na chisel zinatoa fireworks ?Eh?
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#13 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 5:20:20 PM
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@ Capri - those stones r really hard, they could run through the circular saw in hours. thus i think the cost wud be prohibitive. can the quarry pros shed mo light.
fantony
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 5:53:19 PM
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Njunge - kudos on your ability to know this stone costs.. hio ni mjengo proper...

i hear the stone prices have risen thin the last 3 months. something to do with mobile axle weighing machines.

the issue on using machine cut stones for the foundation is not right. you are better of having no foundation at all.
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