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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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Aguytrying wrote:Next time there's a split, iVe seen a loophole. there's a temporary confusion on some in some investors minds and hence, just after the split i can make money!!! No one was willing to pay 230 on friday, today some are buying it at 240!! Equivalent ie 30. mmmhhh I have used precisely this sort of scenario to good effect in the past, especially when there was a prompt board. However, you have to be very careful. In the case of KPLC, by the time your shares bought at 230 on Friday, 19th clear i.e. Friday this week, the split shares will have been credited and you might find you can only sell your shares at 25. At such a price you will be looking at a loss, so in order to profit, it will very much depend on the particular circumstances. On the other hand if we had faster clearing, then a profitable outcome would be much more likely.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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Aguytrying wrote:While listening to the radio today, i heard a very patriotic song. I was sure it was a national unity one or such like. Only for it to end (took the best part of 2 mins), and it was a kplc advert! cracked me up, i like. these guys are advertising all over. it reminds me of the kengen IPO, the same trend was followed then later they declared that they are selling the shares to the public. am sure most Kenyans will be disappointed to learn that only existing shareholders can participate in the rights issue. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,354 Location: Nairobi
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@sober - Well, they can buy from me! At a nice premium... My target in 18 months (after FY 2011-12 Results) is minimum of 40/- (& having 'eaten' a dividend) For some that 45% (over the current price) is too low in 18 months but I am OK with 30% p.a.) Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,225 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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mwanahisa wrote:Aguytrying wrote:Next time there's a split, iVe seen a loophole. there's a temporary confusion on some in some investors minds and hence, just after the split i can make money!!! No one was willing to pay 230 on friday, today some are buying it at 240!! Equivalent ie 30. mmmhhh I have used precisely this sort of scenario to good effect in the past, especially when there was a prompt board. However, you have to be very careful. In the case of KPLC, by the time your shares bought at 230 on Friday, 19th clear i.e. Friday this week, the split shares will have been credited and you might find you can only sell your shares at 25. At such a price you will be looking at a loss, so in order to profit, it will very much depend on the particular circumstances. On the other hand if we had faster clearing, then a profitable outcome would be much more likely. Doing away with the Prompt board while leaving the Normal Board at T+4 at 4PM, was IMHO, very retrogressive. It the very minimal, they should have brought down the clearing to T + 3! Nowadays in this mkt, prices chance so much in such a short duration of time. a case in point is the recent Eaagads fiasco! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:mwanahisa wrote:Aguytrying wrote:Next time there's a split, iVe seen a loophole. there's a temporary confusion on some in some investors minds and hence, just after the split i can make money!!! No one was willing to pay 230 on friday, today some are buying it at 240!! Equivalent ie 30. mmmhhh I have used precisely this sort of scenario to good effect in the past, especially when there was a prompt board. However, you have to be very careful. In the case of KPLC, by the time your shares bought at 230 on Friday, 19th clear i.e. Friday this week, the split shares will have been credited and you might find you can only sell your shares at 25. At such a price you will be looking at a loss, so in order to profit, it will very much depend on the particular circumstances. On the other hand if we had faster clearing, then a profitable outcome would be much more likely. Doing away with the Prompt board while leaving the Normal Board at T+4 at 4PM, was IMHO, very retrogressive. It the very minimal, they should have brought down the clearing to T + 3! Nowadays in this mkt, prices chance so much in such a short duration of time. a case in point is the recent Eaagads fiasco! @mwanahisa, i Hear you. it truly does depend on the circumstanes. Wish the clearing was faster, some of us who watch the boards regularly(all the time), would have opportunities. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,354 Location: Nairobi
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The Prompt Board was used to front-run trades... It was not right to have 2 boards... BUT I agree the T+3 is way too slow... We need REAL-TIME... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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VituVingiSana wrote:The Prompt Board was used to front-run trades... It was not right to have 2 boards... BUT I agree the T+3 is way too slow... We need REAL-TIME... By and large the prompt board was abused as not all investors had equal access to the trades there, so I agree with you on that count. The trading cycle is currently T+4 meaning today's purchases will only be available to sell on Monday, next week. I guess this doesn't concern you too much as you are a long-termer. I do both long and short term myself, so I would dearly love to see a day when we can get instant clearance as happens e.g. on the JSE and other markets.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,354 Location: Nairobi
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@mwanahisa - Regardless of my nature of investing... T+4 is an eternity! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 463 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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VituVingiSana wrote:@sober - Well, they can buy from me! At a nice premium... My target in 18 months (after FY 2011-12 Results) is minimum of 40/- (& having 'eaten' a dividend) For some that 45% (over the current price) is too low in 18 months but I am OK with 30% p.a.) @ VituVingiSana: The target is very realistic. With a current EPS of Ksh 2.14 and approximately 20% annual growth for the period June 10 to June 11, then in Sept 2011 after the end of year results are announced(10 Months from now), the share could be trading at an EPS of about Ksh 2.55. At current P/E of 13, that translates to a price of Ksh 33. By May 2012 (18 months from now), assuming the 20% annual growth holds (and the P/E of 13), then the projected price would be ksh 33 X 1.2 = Ksh 39.60 I intend to join this counter but the timing is critical for maximization of capital gains. I would feel cheated if i got in at anything higher than the govt conversion price of Ksh 207 (Ksh 25.875). By December 23rd, I am optimistic that the window of opportunity to get this shares at below this price will present itself. Post rights and after excess liquidity is mopped up post listing, the share should be trading at the Ksh 28-30 range (P/E of 13 to 14) by March 2011. Happy hunting. x handle: @stocksmaster79
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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mwanahisa wrote: I don't think this will last long. Prepare for the share to come down to the 27 - 30 range cum-rights and sub 25 after going ex-rights
@mwanahisa its these kind of predictions that make me wonder if calculators are standardized... If one were to ask which company has better fundamentals between kengen and KPLC 9 out of every 10 analyst would pick KPLC... So why then would you value KPLC at 25 (P/E of 11.6) and yet the market values kengen at 17.2(P/E of 19.5)??? In my books I would value the two stocks exactly the same so I would put KPLC at 40bob instead... Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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