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Corruption - An African Problem
young
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:35:04 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:


On a recent trip as an investor to Ghana... I was shaken down! I was shocked! As an investor... I am now reconsidering my position there



VVS please substantiate with facts your Ghana experience as you are talking in parables which is not clear.
What part of Ghana did you go ?
What specific experience did you encounter ?
Which biz house did you visit ?

These questions are relevant as Akwaaba people (Ghananians) are the most hospitable country in West Africa to my knowledge. I am a frequent visitor there and I do not subscribe to your opinion. I visit there from Nigeria also on biz trips at least once in a quarter but I stay mainly in the capital city of Accra or the harbour city of Tema.

I hope you know I am not a Ghananian ?
Nonetheles Akwaaba (Karibu) Ghana

Best Regards
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young
#12 Posted: : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 5:03:34 PM
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At times there may be isolated cases of being at the wrong spot in a good city.
It is a general problem.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
wote
#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 5:33:47 PM
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Basically, corruption is worst in people of afro decent. Take a look at some of the most corrupt people in Kenya today. They are least charitable in society and very greedy. Why should someone like Moi still earn a salary while he knows how much milked from us.
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 5:55:07 PM
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young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:

On a recent trip as an investor to Ghana... I was shaken down! I was shocked! As an investor... I am now reconsidering my position there


VVS please substantiate with facts your Ghana experience as you are talking in parables which is not clear.
What part of Ghana did you go ?
What specific experience did you encounter ?
Which biz house did you visit ?

1) I was asked for 'something' not by an employee of a private business [If that were the case, I would have run out there faster than Speedy Gonzalez]

2) Accra

3) This was a public officer. The less said the better. As an investor it was disconcerting. I hope it is a one-off. Talking to Ghanaians, they are not happy with the situation either though improved somewhat. As a foreigner, we have fewer interactions with Public Officers.

I like Ghana & Ghanaians in general. There are always a few bad apples. I wish to see more of the country but currently only visited Accra & Tema.

Tema is like the Thika of Kenya.
Nairobi-Thika = Accra-Tema
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:16:52 PM
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Corruption is/was practiced on a much much larger scale by imperialists. Invading/colonising countries under false pretences for their natural resources
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
Wa_ithaka
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:24:51 PM
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Its idiocy of the highest order to say Corruption is an African problem.
Who (companies) bribes most of the African governments to get investments okayed?
The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
wote
#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:39:00 PM
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African Governments are bribed coz those bribing know that is how they work. French companies even get a refund from their Government after bribing African Government officials to win any tenders.
the deal
#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:41:29 PM
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I was once made to pay 10K by a Kenyan police officer cos i didnt carry my passport on me...Kenyan Police are the most corrupt of them all...
young
#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:13:08 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:

On a recent trip as an investor to Ghana... I was shaken down! I was shocked! As an investor... I am now reconsidering my position there


VVS please substantiate with facts your Ghana experience as you are talking in parables which is not clear.
What part of Ghana did you go ?
What specific experience did you encounter ?
Which biz house did you visit ?

1) I was asked for 'something' not by an employee of a private business [If that were the case, I would have run out there faster than Speedy Gonzalez]

2) Accra

3) This was a public officer. The less said the better. As an investor it was disconcerting. I hope it is a one-off. Talking to Ghanaians, they are not happy with the situation either though improved somewhat. As a foreigner, we have fewer interactions with Public Officers.

I like Ghana & Ghanaians in general. There are always a few bad apples. I wish to see more of the country but currently only visited Accra & Tema.

Tema is like the Thika of Kenya.
Nairobi-Thika = Accra-Tema



On behalf of West Africans and Ghana in particular
apologies VVS for any inconvinience suffered from a bad apple.

It was nice of you to visit West Africa and your choice of Ghana is the best. My take is that East Africans are just scared for nothing in doiing business in West Africa. There are bad eggs here I agree but you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. You cant just generalize it is always nice to see things for yourself.
You cannot take strong business acumen of west africans. Ecobank is standing tall in Fedha house Nairobi, United Bank for Africa (UBA) is making exploits in Uganda and Kenya.
West Africans are playing into your field, but East Africans are just watching and entertaining founded and unfounded fears.
The first major breakthrough of MTN and their biggest market outside south Africa was in Nigeria. The international Hq of MTN is in Nigeria.
The question is who will be the lose on yje long term especially thinking of the future generation of black africans ?


On the contrary foreigners are taking calculated risks and venturing into biz activities in west Africa in real estate, in nstural resources,oil & gas,manufacturing . Name them Italians, Indians, Lebanese, British etc, and making a reasonable living and creating employment for their nationals.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
youcan'tstopusnow
#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:35:24 PM
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wote wrote:
French companies even get a refund from their Government after bribing African Government officials to win any tenders.

So they encourage corruption
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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