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moi destroyed a whole decade generation
smano
#21 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 5:51:27 PM
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I was a kid then but I'm in the financial industry now and I remember our MD mentioning that inflation was around 105% in 1992 and tens of banks collapsed during the period.

It is painful to think that we'd probably be 2nd or 3rd to SA and Egypt if we had continued on the same trajectory of the late 70's when I understand we used to give aid to Malaysia who then went ahead to adopt our sessional paper 10. The rest is history.
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the sage
#22 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 5:59:22 PM
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@The cotton industry, I remember my dad telling me that Eldoret Town used to have very heavy traffic in the morning from guys going to the clothes factories but after some politically connected guys started importing mitumba, all those companies withered.
Njung'e
#23 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 6:16:59 PM
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@the sage,
I witnessed....I actually visited Raymond ltd in 1984 and it was one of the biggest employer in Kenya.Right across the road was the then Ken-knit and on the otherside of town was good ol' Rivatex,There were other vibrant industries in Eldoret those years such RV bottlers,Unga,CPC and East African Tanning.Raymond was bought by some local Indians and renamed Heritage mills while Ken-knit building were bought off by dairy firm Spin-knit....In late 80s,EA Tanning was one of the biggest exporters of mushrooms....i doubt the others are still in business.
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MaichBlack
#24 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 8:59:31 PM
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Given the damage Moi did to our dear country and countrymen/women over his 24 years of misrule, why do we cough up in excess of 2m for his 'pension' in addition to other benefits and staff every month??? Isn't ridiculous that we are as mad as Joe Jackson over this? This payments/allowances etc. need to stop. And that's just the beginning.

This fellow and his cronies continue to enjoy their ill gotten wealth in peace. We need to go after this guys with all the force we can get. Take everything back and throw them into jail!!! Oh how I wish Matiba got just one term - while in good health!!! He would have pulled this off! We need a full ministry - not department - dedicated to search and recovery of everything looted from Kenyans over the years and prosecution of the culprits. Iwe funzo kwa wengine wenye tabia kama hiyo!
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#25 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 10:36:25 PM
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In mo1's eyes he feels he did great,he justifies everything he did...does he have nightmares at night or he just sleeps like a baby? somehow life has been kind to him...he has aged well together with his ilk...and after their peaceful deaths they will be buried as heroes.
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:08:12 AM
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Kaigangio wrote:
@ mpenzi,

I thought sololo and jirongo are one and the same thing...sololo outlets ltd

Yes; Sololo = Jirongo

He'd chosen a good name for the company "Sololo Outlets" that is, an outlet for public funds!
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mukiha
#27 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11:33 AM
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the sage wrote:
@The cotton industry, I remember my dad telling me that Eldoret Town used to have very heavy traffic in the morning from guys going to the clothes factories but after some politically connected guys started importing mitumba, all those companies withered.

The culprit was Gideon Moi.

After that he supplied KCC with enough toilet paper to last them 25 years...all supplied at once.

When the deliveries started rolling in, all the warehouses filled up.... then they converted the milk cold rooms into toilet paper storage space.... soon enough there was no money to pay farmers [since all of it had been given to Gideon!] and there was no space to keep milk [since all of it was full of toilet paper!]

Yes; KCC was killed with toilet paper!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mukiha
#28 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:13:14 AM
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It really pains me when I hear some people say "afadhali siku za Moi"
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
bkismat
#29 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:33:28 AM
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mukiha wrote:
the sage wrote:
@The cotton industry, I remember my dad telling me that Eldoret Town used to have very heavy traffic in the morning from guys going to the clothes factories but after some politically connected guys started importing mitumba, all those companies withered.

The culprit was Gideon Moi.

After that he supplied KCC with enough toilet paper to last them 25 years...all supplied at once.

When the deliveries started rolling in, all the warehouses filled up.... then they converted the milk cold rooms into toilet paper storage space.... soon enough there was no money to pay farmers [since all of it had been given to Gideon!] and there was no space to keep milk [since all of it was full of toilet paper!]

Yes; KCC was killed with toilet paper!

IS THIS REALLY TRUE?
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Rahatupu
#30 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:04:25 AM
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When you mention Moi those of the lost generation always have this angry feeling. I recall my mum's friend puttying us while we were in campus (1993-1997) and it went like this: we were so unlucky because:
1. Moi had just introduced the 8-4-4 =(0)system plus maziwa.
2. Prices of everything had just gone up courtesy of Goldenburg/Jirongo,Kosgey, Ruto....
3. Jobs were no longer assured except for those with "tall relatives".
4. Free university education (boom etc) had just been scrapped, no ice cream mayai etc and you know what became of student welfare at campuses.
5. AIDS had just set in when we were discovering ourselves (the worst the previous generation had to contend with was gono)........

I still remember this lecture so clearly, let the old man and his cronies be remembered for butchering dreams of a generation and of a nation.
Sure
#31 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:06:53 AM
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bkismat wrote:
mukiha wrote:
the sage wrote:
@The cotton industry, I remember my dad telling me that Eldoret Town used to have very heavy traffic in the morning from guys going to the clothes factories but after some politically connected guys started importing mitumba, all those companies withered.

The culprit was Gideon Moi.

After that he supplied KCC with enough toilet paper to last them 25 years...all supplied at once.

When the deliveries started rolling in, all the warehouses filled up.... then they converted the milk cold rooms into toilet paper storage space.... soon enough there was no money to pay farmers [since all of it had been given to Gideon!] and there was no space to keep milk [since all of it was full of toilet paper!]

Yes; KCC was killed with toilet paper!

IS THIS REALLY TRUE?

I believe KCC was killed more by nyayo milk to primary schools. Farmers would deliver milk but not get paid by KCC cauze gover was not paying for the milk it took to schools. TP story was only a small part of the story. Like krubi's daughter importing xmas gifts for uchumi to last ten yrs. Toro shuld be hanged one hair at a time.
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nostoppingthis
#32 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:11:58 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
@the sage,
I witnessed....I actually visited Raymond ltd in 1984 and it was one of the biggest employer in Kenya.Right across the road was the then Ken-knit and on the otherside of town was good ol' Rivatex,There were other vibrant industries in Eldoret those years such RV bottlers,Unga,CPC and East African Tanning.Raymond was bought by some local Indians and renamed Heritage mills while Ken-knit building were bought off by dairy firm Spin-knit....In late 80s,EA Tanning was one of the biggest exporters of mushrooms....i doubt the others are still in business.


@Guka, you are a well travelled dude, ebu nieleze the collapse of industries in Western/Nyanza provinces? Did Mo1 have do do with these too?
Njung'e
#33 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:27:49 AM
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@Nostoppin',
Absolutely yes....Once upon a time there was a popular textile mill in Kisumu.It used to manufacture some of the finest cotton in the world...The name was KICOMI (Kisumu Cotton Mills)....and his fleet of transport lorries were the exclusive transporters of sugar from all known industries in Nyanza and Western to KNTC.......The name was GRT (Great Rift Transporters)....
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dossy7
#34 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:01:52 PM
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Once upon a time there was an EABL plant in Kisumu Guka what happened to it
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Njung'e
#35 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:38:35 PM
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@Dossy,
Closed but that was business.
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mukiha
#36 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:02:01 PM
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dossy7 wrote:
Once upon a time there was an EABL plant in Kisumu Guka what happened to it

Closed because Kisumu Council could not guarantee water supply.

When KBL applied to be allowed to build their own water treatment plant, the Kisumu Council denied permission. Their reasoning: If KBL builds the plant, the council will lose revenue since KBL will no longer buy water from them.

But this was at a time when Kisum did not have enough water even for residents!

Solution: close down the factory. Kisumu lost both the arrow and the bird [in my language we say; "kuruo ni mugui na kanyoni"]
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Njung'e
#37 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:18:22 PM
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@Mukiha,
BTW,did you know Kisumu is a Luhyia name?...I can see some open mouths...lol
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kadonye
#38 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:30:27 PM
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mukiha wrote:
It really pains me when I hear some people say "afadhali siku za Moi"


Me too!But I think we got so much used to this President who was always there in every issue and commenting on everything plus the big one...HANDOUTS!Line up the highway and you're sure of getting something from mzee

This is one of the best improvements of the Kibaki and Kibaki-Raila regimes
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:33:04 PM
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Most of what we consider as scandals today could not be considered as scandals then
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:42:21 PM
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Good People,

This guy and his cronies should have been jailed after a proper court process by April 2003. We would not have been having corruption problems that we are facing now. Can you imagine that between 1990 and 2002 there was absoultely no infrastructure development by government! That is why we are 'shocked ' to see Mombasa Road added a lane in was it four Months? We are still amazed by Thika Rd expansion. These things should have been done around 1992 to 1997. Then the freeways would have been done by 2002. Kibaki should have been builidng by passes for cities like Kericho and Eldoret, Meru and Isiolo.

These goons waliturudisha nyuma tu sana..... ABK!
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