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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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I think its time we embraced cremation. Most africans are so anti-cremation that you think they would feel pain when the process is happening.
It saves the environment - from trees to land. burying turning a once useful land to totally useless..
One can still be remembered depending on what the family does with the ash. They could opt (which would be the best idea) to plant a tree, put the ash in the whole and nurture it.... they will remember the person by look of that tree and in any case, the "person" will "beautify" their lives with the leaves... A stone/wooden cross? every one runs away from the grave.... Once can sit under a tree and think of their loved one without other people thinking he/she is thinking of "following" them.
Reduces on burial costs - monetary and time wise.
No family fights on where the person will be buried (if a guy didnt organise his life before departure)... the wives/families can share the ash.
Its covered in the bible so no worry that it is a 'satanic/weird' ritual.....
And many more...........................
What's your take?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Bury. There is a constant reminder of the person, name,lifetime on the grave stone. Hiyo mti will be cut at some point especially with people who do not know the person.But this is quite debatable...wengine wanasemaje?
Do you have the bible reference?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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nostoppingthis wrote:Bury. There is a constant reminder of the person, name,lifetime on the grave stone. Hiyo mti will be cut at some point especially with people who do not know the person.But this is quite debatable...wengine wanasemaje?
Do you have the bible reference? Ash to ash... just like soil to soil..... i suppose. Si kwa hiyo mti you can write a plaque? aaai... and if people dont you know really, what business do they have remembering you? they wont value it even if it is glaring at them.... The important thing about "remembering" is the "memories" that the people will have... if they have no memories of you (may be you died in 1863... what's the use of keeping the grave there? Unless you were so instrumental to the lives of those you left behind that they pass to generations... Kama hujawacha any memories, just go with the wind... they will forget you, whether the grave is right next to their door or at a corner of the shamba somewhere... but thats my thinking....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Wendz wrote:I think its time we embraced cremation. Most africans are so anti-cremation that you think they would feel pain when the process is happening.
It saves the environment - from trees to land. burying turning a once useful land to totally useless..
One can still be remembered depending on what the family does with the ash. They could opt (which would be the best idea) to plant a tree, put the ash in the whole and nurture it.... they will remember the person by look of that tree and in any case, the "person" will "beautify" their lives with the leaves... A stone/wooden cross? every one runs away from the grave.... Once can sit under a tree and think of their loved one without other people thinking he/she is thinking of "following" them.
Reduces on burial costs - monetary and time wise.
No family fights on where the person will be buried (if a guy didnt organise his life before departure)... the wives/families can share the ash.
Its covered in the bible so no worry that it is a 'satanic/weird' ritual.....
And many more...........................
What's your take? Enyewe, a tombstone is quite a turn off. Not that graves should be unmarked. A low lying slab of concrete (that unless tended to will be overgrown with grass) will do, not some constructed thing as if its a literal high table of concrete! Why not plant a tree at the grave? Most likely its only your siblings or children who will care about you when you are gone.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/30/2009 Posts: 1,390
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I think there's nothing wrong with cremation.I heard that some communities would throw their dead to the wild to be feasted by hyenas.The body is just a house for our spirit.As someone said we are spiritual beings in a human body.Thus when you die its the house that dies not you.Wewe unaendelea kuishi.But @Wendz,where in the bible do we find cremation? What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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Wendz wrote:nostoppingthis wrote:Bury. There is a constant reminder of the person, name,lifetime on the grave stone. Hiyo mti will be cut at some point especially with people who do not know the person.But this is quite debatable...wengine wanasemaje?
Do you have the bible reference? Ash to ash... just like soil to soil..... i suppose. Si kwa hiyo mti you can write a plaque? aaai... and if people dont you know really, what business do they have remembering you? they wont value it even if it is glaring at them.... The important thing about "remembering" is the "memories" that the people will have... if they have no memories of you (may be you died in 1863... what's the use of keeping the grave there? Unless you were so instrumental to the lives of those you left behind that they pass to generations... Kama hujawacha any memories, just go with the wind... they will forget you, whether the grave is right next to their door or at a corner of the shamba somewhere... but thats my thinking.... A 6x6 ft plot is is very little to ask when I am dead. There is nothing in the bible that says Ashes to Ashes.only dust to dust . But actually the bible says at Genesis3:19b " for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."(KJ) no mention of ashes. Further, other bible text mention ground, earth, and dust that man returns to at death.punda amecheka
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/24/2008 Posts: 781
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cremation is very noble...your ashes can be stored in a glass jar for remembrance or scattered around your farm,sea,river etc....very cost effective..no coffin transport costs and crocodile tears of friends and relatives. The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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@kadonye
If the bible doesnt say that, then my priest and many others make it up when saying those funeral prayers.... They say it all the time.
@sheep.... there we have it! and with the mordern day cremation.... it is just the clean way to go... well, may be by the time we are gone this technology wont be here... but..... i think its the best send off.
By the way, did you know the skin takes over 10 years to decompose completely, bones take hundreds of years and the hair not at all? You dont want to scare children some 100 years from now when they accidentally pull up your skull from the farm.....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Watch this video... nothing gross or scary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ynU6aTzac
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,091
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Cremate and save your loved one the hassle of travel, harambees etc. Do the environment a favour, cremation need no trees to be cut for the coffin, does not need land space. I look at all the land under Langata cemetry and think, what a waste? It should be turned into a recreational park.
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