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KIBAKI MUST GO!!!
caesar
#1 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 1:27:00 PM
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Kibaki is a silent dictator...

We demand change from silly old men boardroom politics...

Kenyan's want to be on the move... Kibaki survival agenda is limiting Kenya from being at at our best... Kenya is better than that...

We demand reforms,CHANGE is coming to Kenya...


Poggie
#2 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 3:55:00 PM
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How many Dj's do we have in Kenya? Can they stand up to be counted?

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Tusker Baridi
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:51:00 AM
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Except for a stubborn(or shall I say tribalist) section,most Kenyans made that conclusion a long time ago(in fact in 2003). Welcome aboard.
Marty
#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:13:00 AM
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we need a revolution. Where are the revolutionaries?

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Tevez.
#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:33:00 AM
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Hata aki harass karua

Theatre of dreams
Bareta
#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:37:00 AM
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Revolutionaries are here.

I will lead this country one day,and I will to Kenyans what they long for. It will be peacefull though.

I will do to them what Mandela did to South Africans,Churchill did to the Brits,DeGaulle did to the French,Gandhi to Indians,Washington and Roosevelt to Americans.

My heart blleeds for my Country when I see it being torn apart by greed. To the young people,we shall do it.


Chief
Sober
#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:40:00 AM
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Aende wapi. The dude is here to stay. Even if everyone resigns.

A likely impossibility is always preferable to an unconvincing posibility.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
adept
#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:48:00 AM
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@Bareta - Do you still believe that young people are what it will take to bring change to this country? I thought recent happenings and utterances by youthful leaders have moved us past that illusion...

Any challenge to the status quo will only succeed if the young and the old support it.
Bareta
#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:15:00 AM
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@Adept

I believe we (the young) can do it. There is alot of inspiration from Barrack Obama,Paul Kagame,Rajoelina.

We need someone with no linkages to the old business/corrupt ties,tribal chiefdoms,members of 'our time to eat club'.

Majority of the younger generation have grown up with friends from every corner of the country and by nad large view one another as Kenyans. This is what we need to promote.

Such a person will be able to make hard decissions (badly needed now) because no one is/some forces are 'pulling his strings'


Chief
VituVingiSana
#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:25:00 AM
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All said and done... nature kills the toughest SOB.

***kenyatta okoa'd even tho he thought he was the shiznit. moi will kick the bucket as well. And so will roocy. And so will baks. As will njonjo. So will I. So it may be illegal to dream that baks will b rotting in some hole somewhere in the future but Kenya will be rid of these politicians.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
adept
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:31:00 AM
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@Bareta - I agree. There is Inspiration from Barrack Obama,Paul Kagame (Not Rajoelina tho'...His type of revolution and the platform used might not keep him in power for too long)

But closer home,there is Exasperation...from Mbugua,Kutuny,Namwamba etc

If you were in Nairobi during PEV,you would have realized that Kenyans that have grown up in a multi-cultural environment will forget their upbringing quite quickly when their tribe beckons...I know it because I saw it among pretty educated folks that I grew up with.
Bareta
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:54:00 AM
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@Adept,

I was here in Nairobi during the PEV,and went around the town and its dangerous environs sometimes at very odd hours just to respond to SOS calls. Toegether with some very close friends we rescued people who had otherwise been surrounded. This was done regardless of where one came from.

The problem at the time was that the so called leaders (I prefer tribal chieftans) were leading a tribal campaign from the front. Would you imagine what would have happened if we had leaders who rejected ethnic cleansing in word,will and deed? There was massive incitement and brainwashing of the youth by these warlords that for a moment 'reason' went through the window.

This country cries out loud for a leader,a statesman,a man with passion and love for the country. A man who will recognise that the strength of Kenya lies in the diversity of its people.


Chief
mukiha
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:19:00 AM
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@Bereta: Define 'young people'. Are you referring to the characters that burnt down their university last week?

The 'youthful' tag has lost admiration in society...I don't want them getting anywhere near State House....they might just burn it down,you know!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
caesar
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:16:00 PM
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Kenya is a small country. I do not understand how it can take us more than 7 years to write a constitution.

We have lazy lawyers & legistrators,a lazy president,and a lazy civil service. How come the youth were quiet when civil service age got extended for 5 more years.

This generation of old people believe the youth cannot take over their government.

Eti Kazi kwa Vijana,Who do they think the youth are 'Laborers'
adept
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:32:00 PM
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@caesar - That's exactly what the youth have reduced themselves to...Pawns. And they only have themselves to blame...not Kibaki,not Raila,not ODM,not PNU...heck! not even their tribe or someone else's tribe...ni wao wenyewe.

The actions of the youth are not helping their cause in the quest for leadership...hence,they will continue being used,abused,then re-used,then abused,then re-re-used...I am sure you get the point.

That is why the older generation can hang onto power and still sound credible when they say young people are not ready.

Thus the self-fulfilling prophecy of them forever being the leaders of tomorrow...because they are incapable of stepping up to be leaders today...they are not offering any ideological difference from the status quo.
The General
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:35:00 PM
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@ adept,

Kindly tell what you would like to see the youth do?

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
eriko
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:46:00 PM
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lets stop all this Sycophancy and euphoria.
unless we stop this,we shall keep recycling politicians and nothing ever will change.
Same script,different cast.

lets all try and ignore them,plus show the whole lot the door come next elections. All.

best regards
Erico
adept
#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:54:00 PM
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@The General - A change in the content of our political debate.

And you do not need to go very far. You need only look at the posts on SK threads today...

If the cosmopolitan,educated,well-traveled young Kenyans today are still discussing how tribe this does X,and tribe that does Y,and if tribe A does not do this they will see dust...in 2009 AD...then why should the nation vote out Kibz,RAO,KM,UK,Ruto and the rest of the old guard only to replace them with someone with firmer biceps but has the same line of thinking?

The nation might be the worse...cause this guy will be a tribalist on steroids. Better the devil you know...
caesar
#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:15:00 PM
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@Adept,You have good point's. The youth must step up.

Demand to take the helm...

Lets make our own mistakes if we have to and learn from them...

This should be our time to sign our names on things,to build monuments for Heroes of our own generation,to lead...

Start from your job by asking why is your name not included in the Bosses project and you did all the donkey work...

Why is the new KAA boss not a youthful person... These old guys are not better than us...

Lets get out from the NGO's and demand government... We can draw digital maps,build highways and ports,build universities of the future,link Kenya with the rest of the world,we have a big role to play...
Obi 1 Kanobi
#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:20:00 PM
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The question that has been asked and begs answering is;

'What do you want the youth to do'

Kenyan youth of today (I think I will restrict them to those who went through the 8-4-4 system of education) have worked really hard to succeed in a very difficult environment.

Especially under the 24 year Moi misrule and now the cold atmosphere of the Kibaki rule.

We have grown up and had to observe first hand deception,lies,cheating and stealing by our superiors that has created doubts on the merits of hard work or taking the straight path.

Further more we have been caught up in the age of HIV 90's when families lost their entire parents and uncles,taking with it the advise and benefits that they would have passed down. And then there is the shrinking farmsize that has taken away the simplest form of livelihood.

Infact I applaud the youth for their patience that enabled the PEV to stop,as we have witnessed in many other african countries,once such killings begin,they never stop,or stop when its too late.

With all the above challanges,I believe the youth while not in the top political class currently will definitely move in come 2012. I read a lot of chatter by people I know who feel that we must take our destiny in our own hands.

@Ceaser,your ideas are fantastic,but they cannot be done in a vacuum. As the facts are today,moving in to remove the Old guard without due process is something akin to a revolution and shows mere lack of discipline.

Would you rather you lived in Fidel Castro's Cuba that had its revolution 50 years ago and has been living with Fidels speeches since then or would you rather be in Indonesia where they had mock democracy for 40 years under a benevolent dictator but at his exit,they already new the process and have literally exploded over the past 10 years with good economic growth and better democracy.

The patience and discipline we show as youth be it in the army or in our jobs is our best chance of success,we must respect the laws even if our leaders do not.

Personally,I don't want a dictator like Kagame or Museveni,I am happier free but poor than rich but restricted and afraid.



I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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