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Dissapointing results from Industrials!!!
young
#11 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 9:19:02 AM
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@Pkoli,

Anyone whose portfolio comprises mainly financial stocks is an indication of inexperience.

Worldwide it is an established fact that the financial sector is a fragile sector.

Accumulated and undeclared non performing loans, govt policy can make financial stocks to crash as a pack of cards. We have seen it in USA/Europe, in Nigeria and Egypt. The most fraudulent and sharp practices and cover ups of financial statements without being detected by external auditors are more easily perfected in banks and financial institutions. What affect one bank affects the other because of inter bank transactions. It also affects insurance companies.

But take a look at other sectors(except of course weather dependent agric sector) , they are on their own. What affect a telecom company may night affect a paint company neither a brewery nor a power generation company. Ditto for newspaper company, or cement manufacturer.
So your investment in other sectors are less risky and less dependent on unknown factors.
. Quick returns thrills but most often is not sustainable

Not all that glitters is gold. Gradual consistently consistent growth is the best on this game, unless you just want to speculate and quit after making a kill.
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Aguytrying
#12 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 9:40:05 AM
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@young. What percentage of your portfolio is financials and what is industrial? Which industrials in the nse right now, do you see giving good capital returns in the next six months?
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
sheep
#13 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 9:47:10 AM
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@Pkoli,I dont think ARM is that resilient...together with Scan and NIC I watched them defy the bear briefly but when the panic began they broke badly,I remember trying to nab ARM @55.

The industrials rallied strongly way before the banks did and now the banks have caught up...I guess banking is where the action will be for the next year then industrials start to rally at the latter part of the year.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
mwanahisa
#14 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 11:34:39 AM
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@Young. I agree on your point about the stock market being cyclical. Right now Financials are in a bull cycle. They benefit the most from an upturn in the economy. The trick will of course be when and how to exit when the trend tapers off.
Iborian
#15 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 12:04:25 PM
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@wahe guru, you forgot the worst culprit of all. East African Portland Cement which slam dunked with a loss.

At the Half Year level, BOC, Bamburi and East African Cables are all set to disspoint.

KK and Total at least bucked the trend and EABL and BAT seem not to have been too bad.
young
#16 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 12:32:06 PM
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@Aguytrying

30% of my investment in NSE is allocated to the financials. Specifically KCB, and a equity. I have a very large chunk in KCB.

My plans is to sell a portion of KCB when it appreciates close to 30 bob (as per our experts prediction) and use the proceeds to buy BBK, JUB AND STANCHART.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Gordon Gekko
#17 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 12:39:55 PM
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Did anybody see Jubilee look at 200 this morning?
young
#18 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 4:24:03 PM
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EABL seem to be the most consistent over the years.
Good dividend history (twice a year), consistent bonus (average of once every 4 years for the 12 years).
Permit me to say it is one of foreigners most prefered counter in industrial sector.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#19 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 4:25:36 PM
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EABL seem to be the most consistent over the years.
Good dividend history (twice a year), consistent bonus (average of once every 4 years for the past 12 years).
Permit me to say it is one of foreigners most prefered counter in industrial sector.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
mwanahisa
#20 Posted : Friday, October 15, 2010 5:09:19 PM
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Young. At the current PE of 20+ I find it a bit too rich for me. Growth in EABL's Net Profit (attributable to shareholders) has been 13.04% in 2006 ,13.74% in 2007, 23.15% in 2008, -8.86% in 2009 and 4.29% in 2010. For me that kind of growth is just not sufficient to attract me to it.

On the other hand if you are looking for stability, liquidity and good dividend yield, then that's your counter. No wonder foreigners (especially institutions) love it.
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