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Horton
#11 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 10:54:39 AM
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Mlenyema, Erm u do know that these are professionals not "mbotches"?!?!? Seems u don't know the difference.

Update. They are pretty spilt on whether to go on strike or not. The older ones don't want to go on strike the younger ones do. I doubt it will happen, too many divisions in the union. A bunch of factions where one says go strike, the other disowns and etc. So if it does happen, which I doubt, I doubt it will be as effective as the last one. This time the engineers are not involved in this as they have their own "gang". Pilots, obviously are not involved. (KALPA had a fallout with AAWU last year)
mwanahisa
#12 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 11:06:41 AM
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I would like the talk of the strike to continue for a while longer. I am steadily accumulating the share while this happens. If indeed the strike materialises then I will go all in as the share price will plummet.
2012
#13 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 11:09:04 AM
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This is a bold and commendable move by KQ. It's time to stop this union arm twisting BS. Anyway, that said, I hope unlike Segman, Titus knows what he's doing. This stand-off has potential of turning out worse than Kenol Kobil if managed with arrogance.

I'm putting in two orders @35/- and 38/-

BBI will solve it
:)
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 11:19:41 AM
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2012 wrote:
This is a bold and commendable move by KQ. It's time to stop this union arm twisting BS. Anyway, that said, I hope unlike Segman, Titus knows what he's doing. This stand-off has potential of turning out worse than Kenol Kobil if managed with arrogance.

I'm putting in two orders @35/- and 38/-

Stop hating on Segman... I like the jamaa... When the dust settles I see KK @ 20/- in 3 years... [30% annual return]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
2012
#15 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 12:12:34 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
This is a bold and commendable move by KQ. It's time to stop this union arm twisting BS. Anyway, that said, I hope unlike Segman, Titus knows what he's doing. This stand-off has potential of turning out worse than Kenol Kobil if managed with arrogance.

I'm putting in two orders @35/- and 38/-

Stop hating on Segman... I like the jamaa... When the dust settles I see KK @ 20/- in 3 years... [30% annual return]


I'm not hating on Segman but if you look at the KK case it was a lose lose situation. Long blame statements in their website every other day which finally added up to nothing for me the shareholder. All I'm saying is it was a waste of time and I think KK is the loser in whatever agreement they have in place now.

BBI will solve it
:)
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 12:28:53 PM
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2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
This is a bold and commendable move by KQ. It's time to stop this union arm twisting BS. Anyway, that said, I hope unlike Segman, Titus knows what he's doing. This stand-off has potential of turning out worse than Kenol Kobil if managed with arrogance.

I'm putting in two orders @35/- and 38/-

Stop hating on Segman... I like the jamaa... When the dust settles I see KK @ 20/- in 3 years... [30% annual return]


I'm not hating on Segman but if you look at the KK case it was a lose lose situation. Long blame statements in their website every other day which finally added up to nothing for me the shareholder. All I'm saying is it was a waste of time and I think KK is the loser in whatever agreement they have in place now.
I disagree...

1) KK wud have paid KShs 600mn to KPRL.. They did not have to (or so it seems) now
2) KPRL might have been forced to enter into a 'quality' agreement i.e. minimum production levels

My support for KK remains steadfast... And thru it all I have bought shares in KK not sold a single one... I see 20/- in 3 years! [Meets my 30% goal]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
FundamentAli
#17 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 12:48:46 PM
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After the recent NAS fiasco, I do not think the management is taking any risk. The mob psychology has taken over reason in workers heads. My take is KQ management can decide to pay off the troublemakers and the incompetents keep them out of their business forever. Anyway, it will be interesting to watch what happens.
2012
#18 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 12:51:38 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:


1) KK wud have paid KShs 600mn to KPRL.. They did not have to (or so it seems) now
2) KPRL might have been forced to enter into a 'quality' agreement i.e. minimum production levels

My support for KK remains steadfast... And thru it all I have bought shares in KK not sold a single one... I see 20/- in 3 years! [Meets my 30% goal]



I am a KK shareholder and I would like the best for KK. What I'm not comfortable with is todays release on their website. Let me C&P it and highlight some parts. In the previous releases you'll see he's been accusing everyone and there was what I would consider 'disclosure' of information. Today's statement is a break from the norm and this only means the settlement did not favor KK. Let's wait for the real info to leak out and you'll see.


KenolKobil-KPRL Dispute Resolved

The Management of KenolKobil is pleased to announce that a full and final settlement of the subject dispute was signed on 7th October 2010.
KenolKobil Limited and Kenya Petroleum Refineries Limited shall also discontinue all pending claims between each other, including debit notes and law suits.
The Ministry of Energy and the Energy Regulatory Commission have been very instrumental and well informed during the whole negotiation process and in the final agreement.
With the disputes behind us, both parties are fully committed to working for the wellbeing of the Oil Industry in Kenya and the Region.
J. I. Segman
Chairman & Group Managing Director


Accept my apologies for hijacking this KQ thread.

BBI will solve it
:)
VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 1:11:50 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
After the recent NAS fiasco, I do not think the management is taking any risk. The mob psychology has taken over reason in workers heads. My take is KQ management can decide to pay off the troublemakers and the incompetents keep them out of their business forever. Anyway, it will be interesting to watch what happens.
Not a good idea... Paying off the incompetents simply gives the 'good' workers a chance to strike later on!!! I would be pissed if the incompetent are rewarded both as a shareholder and/or employee!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Sasha
#20 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 1:28:02 PM
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@FundamentAli: That would be very ill-advised. The last thing you want to do is antagonise the Union by paying off some perceived 'trouble maker'! Unions such as these are very powerful and it would be folly for KQ management to treat them badly!

I happen to know a number of KQ employees an they feel that the Union is a little unrealistic about their demands. They are actually the ones who instigated the whole strike thing. These guys can bring down the company without any care as VVS alludes, they still maintain their crazy salaries!

@2012: Segman is practising what is called 'kupaka paka mafuta (pun intended)'. By saying that ERC were instrumental and well informed in the negotiations, he's just trying to placate them. I believe that he realised that he was in a lose-lose situation and needed to get the ERC back on board. Plus the statement that they reach a full and final settlement of the dispute does not necessarily mean they have to pay the Kshs 600m
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