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The uganda securities exchange...
VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:27:40 PM
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@young - I made a trip to DSE to see if I could invest as a KENYAN/EAST AFRICAN but they make it very hard. You can only invest in a handful of shares & even these were over-priced! I invested ZERO in Tanzania.

Uganda was welcoming to me. I could (& did) invest in most Ugandan counters. Many Kenyans have shares in Stanbic Uganda.

I found Ugandans are smart & welcoming. Well, in Entebbe & Kampala anyway. At the border, it may be different since the Kenyan customs & immigration folks are corrupt.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
JabaBoeku
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:56:30 PM
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@VVS, I totally concur with you. UG people and even the business culture offers a way-better investing-climate than Tz. Not withstanding the lack-of-liquidity on USE stocks (those that are not NSE cross-listed), which I believe will gradually pass with time.
+ With the automation of their exchange, the USE will slowly improve with time....or maybe OIL will suddenly boost it? Who knows?
young
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:28:44 PM
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Sorry I caused the digration,
I think we should focus on the subject matter USE and de-emphasize DSE. Thanks
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young
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:44:40 PM
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With extremely low trading volumes I wonder how Uganda stock brokers cope !!!
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murenj
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:06:13 PM
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so how do we get hold of some oil money? none of the ugandan listed companies are in oil per se. banking, hospitality, transport, real estate, and manufacturing sectors will benefit from the trickle down effect. will kenol/kobil join the scrambble for the blak stuff?i have a feeling that i do not need to set foot in uganda to benefit from the oil boom, but i may be wrong.
guru267
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:33:40 PM
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When i would go to my broker in uganda most times i'd be the only client for 20minutes straight and if there's ever a client they're most probably trading on the NSE.... That Market is too too dry for my liking....

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
young
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:10:09 PM
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Volume traded in USE would have improved this year if de-mobilization of share certificates and opening accounts with CDSC were fully embraced as expected.

The enthusiasm is not just there, the pearl of Africa citizens do not bother about stock market.
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guru267
#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:24:58 PM
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young wrote:
The enthusiasm is not just there, the pearl of Africa citizens do not bother about stock market.

@young one thing about ugandans is that only invest in things they can hold, touch feel....

Thats part of the reason they hold on to their share certificates
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
young
#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:03:22 PM
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@Guru267 You are absolutely right, you know Ugandans more than most of us in this forum.

In addition I seem to see a general apathy towards stock investment due to total ignorance.
When I was there with my wife / biz partner and children last december I interacted with not less that three middle class elites, but suprisingly they were innocently ignorant about stock investment. Of the three the first is a lecturer in Makere University, the second a banker with Crane Bank and the third an entrepreneur who owns a cyber cafe in kampala road. Their concensus about stock market were that :-
(i) Why waste your money to buy shares of a company, they use your money to get richer

(ii) Share trading is not profitable in anyway because at the end you will loose your money.

(iii) Share investment is for the super rich.
a small retail investor have no chance of suceeding, as one needs tons of money to start.

I hope these negative and unjustifiable perceptions will ease out in the nearest future

I am optimistic that there will be positive changes of an average ugandan perception of the stock market in future. Uganda will get there.

It was stock market that brought me to Kenya (2004)this forum (2007), and stocks / property in Uganda (2009).
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PKoli
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:28:23 PM
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young wrote:

Volume traded in USE would have improved this year if de-mobilization of share certificates and opening accounts with CDSC were fully embraced as expected.

The enthusiasm is not just there, the pearl of Africa citizens do not bother about stock market.


A lot of education requires to be done in the country. I attended one AGM this year and many shareholders were saying the certificate is good since it does not let one sell easily.

Me thinks the only way to make the markets vibrant is by having a unified exchange. The agressiveness of the Kenyans will push all the other markets up and also carry along the slow (conservative) shareholders!
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