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Unit Trust...HMMM
sl8r
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:12:08 AM
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Lets talk about unit trusts. Are they as worthwhile as buying individual stocks? do they have better returns?? what kind of person would buy into unit trusts?? someone who is low on cash?? long or short term investor?? what about the risk tolerance of one who would buy into unit trusts high or low???
hisah
#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:00:26 AM
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sl8r wrote:
Lets talk about unit trusts. Are they as worthwhile as buying individual stocks? do they have better returns?? what kind of person would buy into unit trusts?? someone who is low on cash?? long or short term investor?? what about the risk tolerance of one who would buy into unit trusts high or low???


One thing I dread about unit trusts or mutual funds is the lack of disclosure. What do they buy with my money? Many people don't mind as long as the +% returns are rolling in, but when the -% returns popup, it becomes difficult to get an explanation why things are in the red. The other thing I don't like is paying fund fees even when your portfolio is negative. It does feel fraudelent. If a firm makes losses, they slash or freeze jobs, cut back on spending and lower dividends or don't pay. So why pay the fees when the money is below your principal? I'm sure when 2008 - 2009 hit hard, many had these queries and mutual redemptions were the order of the day until Old Mutual had to launch a 7,500 products to stop the bleeding since 500K peeps were not amused and withdrew. I'm not a fan of mutual trusts especially if one knows how money works.
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guru267
#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 7:09:22 AM
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If you're 45 or younger then F#*K unit trusts...

These things were created for those who are retiring....
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mukiha
#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:10:56 AM
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@guru; not quite.

Unit trusts are for people of all age groups. The specific target being those who don't have the time or the knowledge to follow up on market trends and company performances. Believe me; those are the majority in any population (young or old).

In my opinion; the average wazua member might not like unit trusts...and how many are we? 1,000 perhaps?
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
guru267
#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:33:06 AM
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mukiha wrote:
@guru; not quite.

Unit trusts are for people of all age groups. The specific target being those who don't have the time or the knowledge to follow up on market trends and company performances. Believe me; those are the majority in any population (young or old).

In my opinion; the average wazua member might not like unit trusts...and how many are we? 1,000 perhaps?

@mukiha whether one has knowledge or not doesn't really matter....

Throw all your money into a bluechip stock now and check it out 15 years later...

I guarantee it will have returned WAY more than a unit trust...

Though i admit within the next two years I'll be opening up one...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Njung'e
#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:53:59 AM
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@Guru,
Mukiha has a valid point.What % of Kenyan populace is aware of the existence of NSE and how it operates?
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mjuaji wa stocks
#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:11:18 AM
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Ok guys....to me unit trusts and insurance policies for example ati education; investment etc etc etc………are the same…..

I will never invest in unit trusts ama insurance policies which promise to pay me a lamp sum after 15 or 20 years....Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you


My reasons: These guys use my money to buy shares and trade in them....make lots of money and pay me peanuts!!! NOT ME!


I'd better study hard to know how these investments are done then go ahead and do it myself!

I WILL NEVER MAKE SOMEONE ELSE BE INCHARGE OF MY MONEY.......NO ONE CAN TAKE CARE OF MY MONEY LIKE I CAN!!Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

Where do insurance companies invest in???....the NSE

Where do mutual funds / unit trusts invest in??.....the NSE

Therefore i will do that myself....kama mbaya ...mbaya...kama sawa.....sawa!!

Unless i want to call the shots and have control....i will invest in a private equity firm like centum!!

Tell me any of the richest guys who ever invested in unit trustssmile smile

All i know is that ....all wealthy guys worked themselves to make their own money by investing themselves or taking large stakes and controlling companies e.g Warren Buffet.

@njung'e @guru....it is true that we remain poor coz of lack of knowledge......that is why majority of people are poor.....most of them have bought insurance policies and are waiting for 15 or 20 yrs to be paid Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ...what they are doing for the next 15 or 20 yrs ....ni ku-contribute premiumsSad Sad Sad Sad

This reminds me of mortgages!!!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly another no go zone!
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mukiha
#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:54:19 AM
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guru267 wrote:
mukiha wrote:
@guru; not quite.

Unit trusts are for people of all age groups. The specific target being those who don't have the time or the knowledge to follow up on market trends and company performances. Believe me; those are the majority in any population (young or old).

In my opinion; the average wazua member might not like unit trusts...and how many are we? 1,000 perhaps?

@mukiha whether one has knowledge or not doesn't really matter....

Throw all your money into a bluechip stock now and check it out 15 years later...

I guarantee it will have returned WAY more than a unit trust......

Now that's the kind of knowledge I'm talking about. How do tell that a company is a "blue chip"? Very few people know...... and the word knowledge comes from "know"
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mukiha
#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:02:47 AM
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@mjuaji;

I think you are quite young, aren't you? I remember the first time an insurance agent came to sell me some policy. That was 20 years ago and I had just started my first job. I told her that at the time I had no dependents..."nobody would surfer financially if I died today", I told her.

That's the point about insurance; it's not an investment!

I have a vision that my children will go to top-class universities when they finish with school. But that vision assumes that I will be alive and able-bodied when that time comes.

What if I died tomorrow? Or was in an accident and was left permanently disabled? Where would the money come from?

When those thoughts cross my mind; the vision of my children going to some nice university suddenly blows up to pieces. That's why I took and education cover for each of them.

Yes; you can say that I can save and invest for better returns than the insurance cover. But that also assumes that I will be alive and able bodied tomorrow to earn the money to invest...
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
groupielove
#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:07:09 AM
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mjuaji wa stocks wrote:
Ok guys....to me unit trusts and insurance policies for example ati education; investment etc etc etc………are the same…..

I will never invest in unit trusts ama insurance policies which promise to pay me a lamp sum after 15 or 20 years....Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you


My reasons: These guys use my money to buy shares and trade in them....make lots of money and pay me peanuts!!! NOT ME!


I'd better study hard to know how these investments are done then go ahead and do it myself!

I WILL NEVER MAKE SOMEONE ELSE BE INCHARGE OF MY MONEY.......NO ONE CAN TAKE CARE OF MY MONEY LIKE I CAN!!Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Where do insurance companies invest in???....the NSE

Where do mutual funds / unit trusts invest in??.....the NSE

Therefore i will do that myself....kama mbaya ...mbaya...kama sawa.....sawa!!

Unless i want to call the shots and have control....i will invest in a private equity firm like centum!!

Tell me any of the richest guys who ever invested in unit trustssmile smile

All i know is that ....all wealthy guys worked themselves to make their own money by investing themselves or taking large stakes and controlling companies e.g Warren Buffet.

@njung'e @guru....it is true that we remain poor coz of lack of knowledge......that is why majority of people are poor.....most of them have bought insurance policies and are waiting for 15 or 20 yrs to be paid Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ...what they are doing for the next 15 or 20 yrs ....ni ku-contribute premiumsSad Sad Sad Sad

This reminds me of mortgages!!!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly another no go zone!

I totally agree with you.Just have a look at capital letters in Thursday's Money Matters. majority of the complaints are for guys complaining about Insurance covers that refuses to honor their pledge or breaks contracts with impunity. Talking of Stocks, though I am not a Guru, I wouldn't entrust wholly some guys play about with my money, when I have the same chance to do so.
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