The drama surrounding the PEV is never ending soon.As a Kenyan againist Impunity,I was amongst those who thought that ICC should drive into town arrest the suspects and lock them forever in hell..However,what has going on of late is making me rethink this ICC thing all together.ICC has absolutely no right treating Kenya like a child and demanding this and that.Paul mwangi in hi commentry in todays paper put it quite clearly.I think we as Kenyans are capable of dealing with the PEV.What is lacking is the political will.But this can be sorted out someow without selling our soverignity to this Kangaroo court which is a classic example of modern day colonialism in Africa....Having travelled widely in Africa,I can assure you that this western controlled court has no good intentions on Africa..Our country is among the few African states that have functioning state machinery.we should bid our time and try sort our mess,because ICC will never ever solve our mess.They will just make us a laughing stock.we are already.. Please some one get this ICC thing off our beloved land.

@magigi,Kenyans are not Primitive.Sometimes we just dont want to accept the reality.We are fond of shortcuts.Like this ICC thing is a shorcut to end impunity.Its not gonna happen.After ICC comes and goes,Kenyans will still remain the same,hot headed trying to look for shortcuts to solve our problems...Did you hear Kibaki asking for help from Brazil to solve our football mess??laughable!!As if he doesnt know where problem and solution lie..By being signatories of these International treaties doesn't mean all our internal problems have to be reffered to them.Our problem is and will remain political irresponsibility.and only Kenyans can fix that.....

@guard - I don't know [or care!] if it is you or your boss who is the Waki list but the perpetrators of the PEV must be shipped to the Hague - sooner rather than later! All this 'colonialism', 'sovereign state', 'my tribe...' nonsense should stop!

"We can deal with the PEV...". Nonsense!!! Absolute bull crap. What else have "we" dealt with to prove "we" have the capacity AND willpower [both political and otherwise] to deal with this? There will be political interference, court injunctions and so much circus it will be 50 years before the first suspect shows up in court. And he will be the guy who killed the neighbours dog!

Let the main guys be shipped to the Hague irrespective of their party affiliation, tribe, gender, religion or any other group they want to associate themselves with and we will deal with the "laughing stock" manenos and other related issues later. One way would be to deal with the medium and small fish - all the way to the 'foot soldiers'. That ought to keep "us" occupied for a couple of years.

@guard - You had better start house hunting at the Hague. You might need some relatives and/or friends near you during the trial.

another clap of appluase


Mr Guard , whoever you are guarding mwambie hawesmeki.

and the same route you used to come here(wazua) , use it to go back




guard #1 Posted : Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:29:41 PM

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mara PLO and small http://wazua.co.ke/forum...8928&p=2#post112656 mara Ocampo must go, who are you and are you really for the good of this country?

The PEV suspects should face Ocampos music otherwise somebody could be planning the same in 2012.Iwe funzo kwa yeyote ana mafikira kama hayo

@MaichBlack,

Hear, hear.

Kindly expand on why both should go? their roles?

G4S ooops Guard, word of advise ,listen to yourself before you write anything here.Its our habit to do so

The guilty are always afraid .

so what is your point? please stop feeling guilty for someone else. unless you are really guilty.

stop feeling bad that your favourite politician or civil servant will end up in court.

Be honest , Mr G4S , How much did they pay you to come and say this here?

Thanks@mwenza. I know this topic generates a lot of heat and emotions. I don’t expect concurrence because the topic has seen Kenyans take extreme/hardline positions based on political inclinations/tribe etc. I just feel like something is not right somehow….As I noted earlier, I am totally againist what the gava does, including the Bashir visit. My point is, maybe we were/are too angry to see where the real problem is.I want justice for the PEV victims. ICC will only go for the top guys-and not all of them-two or three.The rest might end up going scot free, including the foot soldiers. I believe our institutions are capable of handling these fellows. If we can get the political will.so we need to clean up our politics once and for all. At least we are trying we have a new constitution so let’s take the chance. Though we are party to ICC, We are a country that has structures in place. I know some guys don’t want to hear about sovereignity,but I can tell you it’s a good thing. Look at our colleagues in the ICC List-Sudan, Central Africa republic, Uganda (Joseph Kony) DRC,do you seriously think we belong to that group?. The problems will remain until we face them head on and start by being responsible citizens and electing responsible leaders.


@ ‘newfarer’ and your fellow ’members’ …. Wacheni Matusi.