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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2006 Posts: 121
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Hi CMG,
For Wall Street, I think the prop trading departments will just morph into a hedge fund...sort of the way Goldman Sachs and Citigroup are planning to do.
Just to change topics, dont you think that the brains in Wall Street might make things tough for Main Street. There has been a focus by hedge funds on natural commodities including food stuffs (like sugar and wheat) thereby increasing volatility of food prices.
Regards
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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@capitalmarketsgeek, let me make my contribution to this in the language I understand. If you went to Michigan, we were both in the Big 10 as I was a U of Iowa (Hawkeyes) fanatic. We even played in the Rose Bowl once.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/11/2010 Posts: 36
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Gordon.... It can even get better, My undergra is from University of Minnesota, Twin cities, I am a lifetime Gopher, University of Michigan is part of me but I only spend three semester there and I was a grown man by when I was at UMICHIGAN!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/11/2010 Posts: 36
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Scooby... Making it hard for mainstreet? This might be offensive to some people but I think this world is for the survival for the fittest..... Everyone will always come up with ways to beat the next person and take advantage of him/her, and the next person will find way to outpay the next person and the circle goes on and on and on... its a war and the winner rules...!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/11/2010 Posts: 36
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@CapitalMarketsGeek:...That a really serious misstatement! My experience tells me otherwise...Get to CFA level 2&3 and you will scream-to-your-mother when you get tested on derivatives...Level-1 offers only an introduction and just tests a minute 5%....[/quote] Extrablessed.... If you have an undergraduate in Finance, you should be able to walk through those derivative without any problem, but again it also depend on the quality of your undergraduate degree, "quality"
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/12/2010 Posts: 129 Location: nairobi
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what i belive is that some undergrads may put emphasis on the stock market( a general overview of the finance function) say for example if i graduate from Egerton university(EU) with first class honors in finance and i compare with a person who graduated from university of nairobi(UON) with second class honours upper division in finance the one from UON will be better placed even if the one from EU was much brighter but if one looks at the course content between the two universities one finds that EU covers additional units( 4 to be precise) and has a more holisic approach towards each units syllabus.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/11/2010 Posts: 36
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Emlyne... I didn't attend college in Kenya so its hard for me to judge, but where I schooled was a little different, Business schools compete to impress private sector, the more a school graduate the best students the more they get reputation from the industry and companies will come back and recruit from the school. Schools take pride on how many students get jobs after graduation and as a matter of facts, schools try to keep track of their students for years after they graduate. Having say that,passing CFA do not mean you're the smartest or smarter than those who didn't, but failing CFA put in question your dedications, commitment to success, time management,it even put doubts in your learning abilities. You tell your boss you fail CFA, he is not going to feel sorry for you and advise u to do it again, he is going to start double checking your work. You tell the boss you pass CFA is not gonna make him/her jump up and down coz thats what they expect you to do. The point is, schools do not teach the same things but atleast school prepares students to go out there and learn for themselve, EU and KU and NU,do not teach the same things but they do give students enough resources to go out and make it happen for them. I was amazed to learn that in Kenya people go to college to learn and prepare for CFA, thats something am yet to understand, maybe you can tell me! It is either a failing education quality or students just have alot of money to spend.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/12/2010 Posts: 129 Location: nairobi
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CMG, People in kenya do to collge to learn cfa its neither of the above 2 points in the last sentence, its because many of the cfa units like derivatives,some aspects of equity analysis and portfilio management are not practiced in kenya options and swaps strategies dont occur in kenya. so it become difficult for people to relate and practice the principles and skills acquired in our small capital market.
not all people can pocess a failing education quality, its that the practical environment does not exist....put yourself in a situation say for example you read in a school that didnt have the recomended books to enable you to pass,and the external environment was harsh (arid/semi arid you had to travel long distances to and from school etc) and compare with one who went to alliance high or starehe boys center, definately the one with no books would find it difficult to excel.
this explains why we need to visualise scenarios practised abroad by going to class
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/11/2010 Posts: 36
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Emlyne... By the way schools are very brutal in Kenya and sometimes I think there is something wrong somewhere, take for instance, in USA from stand one to form four, school starts at 8 am and by 2 pm students are done for the day, btw 8am to 2pm there is PE, federal mandated breaks, and lunch. There is also a 3 months summer break each year, There are also lots and lots of distractions in sch: cellphones, making outs, offensive dressing( schools are mixed) parttime job after sch,ipods to name a few. What about in Kenya?You know it! Do is mean Kenyan schools graduate better students than american schools? Not at all. So something has to be wrong!
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/12/2010 Posts: 129 Location: nairobi
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CMG, That economy is bigger and more developed than ours and our system of education is different.US has had over 250 years of independence surely one cannot compare with 38 years? (apples and oranges?)
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