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sparkly
#71 Posted : Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:50:47 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
Anyway, mine is a very rough estimate. The true picture will be known in the Safcom first half results.

Happy hunting


@Stocksmaster i belief the price wars/massacres began in the second half thus we will have to wait for full year results to know the full extent.

How to cut costs:

1. Put a hold on their 4G plans and extend the reach of the cheaper 2G and 3G (Reduce CAPEX to save on cashflows)

2. Cut on their advertising and promotions spend

3. Payroll has to be trimmed... sorry for employees

4. Not much can be done on their financing and network maintenance costs.
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mv_ufanisi
#72 Posted : Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:11:50 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
SIMPLE VALUATION OF THE SAFARICOM SHARE

TOTAL = 0.6875x

This means that the Safcom profits may shrink by as much as 30%.


As Pablo points out you're making an incorrect assumption here that profits are directly related to revenues and costs.

Revenue down by 30% how about costs? What % of costs are fixed? What % are variable.

I think costs will not shrink by much & this is where the trouble will come from.

I will be amazed by a profit of more than 10 billion.
Wa_ithaka
#73 Posted : Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:29:21 PM
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The assumptions are a bit farcical.
Are we assuming that the Ksh3 will hold for a year?
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guru267
#74 Posted : Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:13:36 PM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
The assumptions are a bit farcical.
Are we assuming that the Ksh3 will hold for a year?

@Wa_ithaka the assumption is very valid because safcom has no other choice otherwise if they try and raise their tariffs slightly the share will be battered as it factors in gross loss of customers...
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stocksmaster
#75 Posted : Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:38:53 PM
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My fear is that Zain is not through with the price wars. It has nothing to loose and all to gain by a further price reduction to below Ksh 3 per minute.

The acquisition of 3G by Zain and Co. and extension of this price wars to internet services will leave the only significant growth area for Safcom as MPESA (which basically is a Vodafone product managed by Safaricom based on a five year agreement.Safaricom pays 32.5% of MPESA Revenue to Vodafone which may rise to 50% of revenue if MPESA grosses EUR 24M per year - Source: Page 132 of Safcom Prospectus.

A further Zain assault on Safcom may well push this share to the Ksh 3.5 range, a price that may well be supported by fundamentals.

The telecommunication companies need to borrow a leaf from the Kenyan banks...........despite the regulators low base interest rate, they work as a sector to ensure that the loan interest rates don't fall below a certain level ensuring a good profit margin.(Thats why i concentrate on bank stocks for investment in Kenya; their heart lies with the shareholder and maximising his/her return on investment)

At this rate, the telecom companies will surely haemorrhage financial by creating unsustainable business models all in the name of competition.

Happy hunting.
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sparkly
#76 Posted : Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:30:43 PM
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The safcom-zain issue is like the animal farm saga. If safcom was to bow out of the fight, pack and go to uk, zain will promptly raise prices- out goes mtiki, in comes mkimwa. Let the consumer rejoice
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alikujia
#77 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:20:38 AM
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Bharti, being listed in India, how much loss can they absorb, say zainK dents the P/L line by 10B sh loss. Last time I heard, bharti was not such a collosal multinational in P/L, i think they made 150m USD. This kind of money has limit to what proportion can be haemorrhaged by a single(kenyan) operation.

its going to be interesting.
VituVingiSana
#78 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:32:08 AM
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alikujia wrote:
Bharti, being listed in India, how much loss can they absorb, say zainK dents the P/L line by 10B sh loss. Last time I heard, bharti was not such a collosal multinational in P/L, i think they made 150m USD. This kind of money has limit to what proportion can be haemorrhaged by a single(kenyan) operation.

its going to be interesting.
Bhart-Airel is HUGE... Granted they do not plan to lose money in Kenya indefinitely.

Your information is incorrect. Bharti made $360mn in profits for 2Q 2010. [Viva Google]

http://online.wsj.com/ar...575422392065820012.html

Yes, just in one quarter Bharti made more of a profit than Safaricom made in a whole year.
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#79 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:20:06 AM
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#80 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:43:59 AM
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I love it!! Let them fight, let us rejoice!!

Dont be fooled that either of them love Kenya or Kenyans...
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