One of the reason why there was so many water Melons, is because of the way this new Katiba is ambiguous.

What will happen to the County and Municipal councils?. Especially when it comes to some councils which are now in different counties but previously in the same district. EG. Gatanga was previously in Thika County council, meaning all Land rates and rents were paid in thika by gatanga residents. But now Gatanga is in Murang'a County and Thika is in Kiambu.

Will there be councillors and Mayors?. There is no mention of these posts in the katiba.

Provincial Administration is another confusion in itself. If the Governor will not be incharge fully incharge of the county, then there is going to be alot of problems in running the county affairs.

Come September 2012, Kenya will be a confused state.

@All....i am forced to reply to this by my conscience even though sitaki...the reason is ....you cant inscribe by force common sense to people given over to euphoria .... This issue of xpense to run the gava is real ...no sweet talk about it!!!

Taxation ni lazima; kwanza heavy taxes....both the national and county gava have powers to levy taxes ili kuji support...this means if you are working in nai na unatoka kakamega ama nakuru and you have some invest......hizo lazima kuna tax in both levels.....

Kusema corruption itaisha coz ya katiba mpya ...ole wenu....this people are the same......character ni ile ile...unless you do an overhaul....but in kenya hiyo

Ukweli ni kwamba the ka - small bad % of the katiba that we refused to listen to and debate about...ndio itarudi kutukula vikali...

Wait and see!

Parklands police station traffic department is the most corrupt in kenya....discuss...

Wazua did not come with any extra cost. They (wazua) own the idea so they can do whatever they want with wazua.
How many Senators, Governors and MP's are we going to have in 2012?

@2012....tafadhali fungua macho kiasi.

At what cost is the free pry edu?

Are you aware that the west is funding this thing???

Note that hakuna pesa kutoka west ama uk ama us ambazo ni za free.

They come in terms of soft loans....of course hizi loans zinafanya shingo zetu zifungwe tupate kuimba nyimbo za the west....i.e doing things their way...ama tukikataa ''msaada itakwama''....hii ni pumbavu kilo nyingi!

You guys esp sisi africans lazima tuamke...sijui kwa nini kenyans believed in this katiba thing mpaka there was no sense....

The west new ...tusukume hawa majamaa wapitishe hii kitu.....the gava will be bloat...hawataweza kuimudu....then tutasema...tutawasaidia....of course thru cash....loans....sawa...

I think you have heard or seen some gus talking of 800m from u.s eti ya ku - implement katiba...

shida ni ..people refuse to think 4 themselves sasa others think for them...

Are u aware that the kenya debt is > 1 trillion???

Ilitoka wapi kufanya nini na nani watalipa???

Jibu....ilitoka west na kwingineko...kuendesha masilahi ya west hapa kwetu halafu mimi na wewe tutalipa thru taxation....

mimi nilipiga NOO......ukweli ni kwamba this is the reality.....talk of ukoloni mambo leo....i say we are still clonized!!!

Ngojeni ....msilie haraka....mambo bado!!


To answer your question....msiba wa kujitakia hauhitaji kilio!!!

@mjuaji wa stocks,
My friend, I'm not disagreeing with you in fact I agree with you totally.
What I'm saying is 'maji yashamwagika'. Kenyans overwhelmingly endorsed this constitution majority ignorance of the cost. My question to you is,
1) if we were to do it all over again, what would you change and would it pass?
2) Since this is now cast in stone how would you suggest we do this? Stagger implementation?

My thinking is we bite the bullet and take it head on because if we don't do it all at once then most of it will end up on that popular Kenyan dusty shelf.

@2012...

It is hard my friend and brother.....you see..hii maji sisi wenyewe tulimwaga...na tuka mwagie wazungu.....mmoja wetu hapa alisema ....tukule sumu kwanza twende hospitali baadaye .

Really??? A wazua member? ...you can then imagine wha type of people we have in kenya....moved by euphoria not principles; Vision; focus and a clear plan for their future…in this katiba thing …our future was reduced to a contest of tribes; parties and personalities….

as I write I feel sad!

Having said this; there are only FEW options left for us; this will only happen when Kenyans discover that none of the politicians is interested in our lives as individuals leave alone communities!

When we discover this; then WE do the following:

1. Resist the influence of the west in our country affairs just like kagame told them juzi. (though I don’t agree with kagame 100% in dealing with his people…I maybe wrong but if those who kagame has dealt with ruthlessly were puppets of the west….then kagame is right and is a man and a half).

2. Demand for immediate amendments on all sections of the constitution that we feel and find foreign; (serving interests of foreign countries; persons; groups etc).

3. Stir a new revolution by clear civic education to deliver Kenyans from the cocoons that present and past politicians have put them in for their own benefit .(i.e tribalism; clanism and others). After this do a revolt of sending home all the sitting mps except few who we will find worthy and honourable to retain their seats; the rest should be send home without pension for the rest of their lives and liable to pay taxes in their investiments.

4. When this happens ( and can only happen when all know the truth about politicians) then prosecute all past corruption cases no matter who was involved; recover the loot and embark on building Kenya mpya! Without this; DON’T BE CHEATED THAT ANYTHING BETTER CAN HAPPEN HATA KAMA KUNA KATIBA MPYA!

Doomsayers! And you will be basking in its glory once things settle, ama? I dnt expect a smooth ride, and what im seeing is just a passing cloud. Change is CONSTANT, and things wil kip on changing fm gud to bad n fm bad to gud till the day u kick the bucket. Stop whining n face life!

This is exactly what we are talking about. Most guys are either just optimistic or emotional. If you've read the previous couple of posts the major issue here is cost. Most of us are saying that no one wants to discuss this cost issue in a sober mind. If you look at your post above you did not even try to tackle the issue. I just see emotions, nothing else - with all due respect. This "Everything will be alright..." attitude without explaining the "how" should be left to...(who?). I don't know.

kenyans always have tremendous faith that the problem will 'resolve itself naturally'.

@mcreggae..finally you ask...where do i begin...Ok
over 12 constitutional commissions some with no cap of commissioners or tenure, the central government, a huge parliament, a senate, county governments. we need to come to terms with the fact that even the salaries commission needs to be paid by someone. @MaichBlack, the taste of the pudding is in the eating. Sioni hizo salaries zikiteremka...they will be kept constant for a long while but never downwards.