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What/Who really is a trader??
Ric dees
#1 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 3:32:33 PM
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I'm a bit confused over the term "trader".

My understanding has always been that a trader is someone who comes up with a trading idea, and then makes sure that the trade is executed. His tools are models developed by quants*, and brokers who execute the trades (I refer to brokers as tools in here). If we generalize: I will quote diff excerpts

Well for those who claim to "trade" could you educate some of us.

* Quants: People with low level of sophistication in finance, but very good at mathematics (PhD in math, physics, etc.)

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
guru267
#2 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 3:40:29 PM
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Ric dees wrote:

I'm a bit confused over the term "trader".

My understanding has always been that a trader is someone who comes up with a trading idea, and then makes sure that the trade is executed. His tools are models developed by quants*, and brokers who execute the trades (I refer to brokers as tools in here). If we generalize:

Well for those who claim to "trade" could you educate some of us.

* Quants: People with low level of sophistication in finance, but very good at mathematics (PhD in math, physics, etc.)


@ric dees you are right the term trader and investor are very relative and are often used interchangeably...

To me a trader makes purchase or sell orders almost every week and can't hold on to a counter for a long time...

An investor on the other hand IMHO is a dude or babe who leaves his money in a counter and hopes things work out for the best
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Ric dees
#3 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 4:18:02 PM
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@guru267..i see where your going with this.

Let me sight an example to illustrate this.

Guru267:
1.You are buying because you sense a price movement for some reason (through technical analysis, market/sector news, and so forth)
See What Moves the Market.
2.You are interested in profiting from a price movement and, most likely, selling and moving on to another stock.
3.You have no real interest in the company behind the stock other than it is in the right place at the right time.

Ricdees:
1.I have done a thorough analysis of the company and believe it has long-term growth potential
2.I understand what the company does and its position in its market.
3. If the price drops, i know why and can determine whether this is a short-term situation or a change that will have a long-term impact on the stock’s price.

I think we are both investors difference is you invest in a stock, i invest in a company.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
My 2 cents
#4 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 4:34:09 PM
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Ric dees wrote:

@guru267..i see where your going with this.

Let me sight an example to illustrate this.

Guru267:
1.You are buying because you sense a price movement for some reason (through technical analysis, market/sector news, and so forth)
See What Moves the Market.
2.You are interested in profiting from a price movement and, most likely, selling and moving on to another stock.
3.You have no real interest in the company behind the stock other than it is in the right place at the right time.

Ricdees:
1.I have done a thorough analysis of the company and believe it has long-term growth potential
2.I understand what the company does and its position in its market.
3. If the price drops, i know why and can determine whether this is a short-term situation or a change that will have a long-term impact on the stock’s price.

I think we are both investors difference is you invest in a stock, i invest in a company.

@Ric dees you have to acknowledge source of your information. The above, other than gurus and your names has been directly lifted ad verbatim from About:Com:Stocks
http://stocks.about.com/...sics/a/Invtrad013105.htm
Wa_ithaka
#5 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 5:03:13 PM
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Someone who trades?
The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
Ric dees
#6 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 5:04:46 PM
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@My 2 cents..see my first post...i did acknowledge!!

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
sparkly
#7 Posted : Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:53:02 PM
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Traders look at price movement. Investors look at the business
Life is short. Live passionately.
My 2 cents
#8 Posted : Saturday, September 11, 2010 4:28:40 PM
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Ric dees wrote:
@My 2 cents..see my first post...i did acknowledge!!

I apologise.sorry.
sparkly
#9 Posted : Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:44:25 PM
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The kenyan market is a tricky one to trade. 2.1% commission means that trading in and out of two counters will cost you 10% as broker commissions. Commissions on Penny stocks and odd lots is so high since brokers charge a minimum commission of 100.
Life is short. Live passionately.
robertyawe
#10 Posted : Monday, September 13, 2010 9:25:04 AM
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Trader: Those who bought safaricom at 5/- and hoped it will get to 17/-
Investor: Those who bought Safaricom at 2.60/- sold at 6/- and are back at 4.85/-

As an investor it does not mean that you will not occasionally trade to pick profits off the floor but that you have a detailed appreciation on fundamentals.
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