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No freebies, no frills, AGMs
muganda
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:02:22 PM
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So the new trend in Annual General meetings is to reduce costs, and small shareholders who attend get no bitings, no sodas, no gift packs, little dividend; and definitely no lunch!

What I must wonder is whether the savings are commensurate with other trifles the company spends on for the executive. And perhaps most indicting, is the lunch held for a few executives/directors/dignitaries after the exerting affair of dealing with the Wananchi.

Safaricom AGM took place at Bomas today, and key issues were:
1. no frills
2. dividend in cents

What say you on the first issue, any justice to the owners of the company?

muganda
#2 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47:19 PM
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Whooa, out of interest, just came across this note on twitter from the future CEO of Safaricom...
bobcollymore
At my 1st Safaricom AGM. Interesting listening to the concerns of 600 small shareholders present. Main concern is 20 c dividend.

mozenrat
#3 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:48:08 PM
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The one thing I took away from the AGM is that Kenyans need a lot of investor education..

Safcom did not pay out 20 cents.. it paid out Kshs. 8 billion which is 40% of its earnings..

this is comparable to with EABL which paid out 6.9 Billion from earnings of 12.5 Billion - 55.2%

Now consider that Safaricom is in telecomms which an extremely capital intensive sector... EABL might not have to change their machines every few years.. Telcos have to constantly keep up with technology.. Just the other day Safcom announced that they are starting 4G trials.... How much do you expect to be spent on that?

Yaani instead of people asking about strategies that the board has in place to fend off the PZain, they're asking about 20cts divs... If these guys have no plan, even 2cts will be a problem..
youcan'tstopusnow
#4 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:15:53 PM
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Muganda, I think you are right on the fairness issue. The 'dignitaries' get whole buffets. Plus board members get a lot of money plus 'beneficial stock units'. Saw one story where a certain guy has specialised as a board member for different companies. He curremtly serves on 5 listed companies' boards. Last year he got himself 6 million just for attending meetings
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
youcan'tstopusnow
#5 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 9:23:56 PM
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Actually the guy earned 34 million. Nothing personal against him though. www.nation.co.ke/busines...68/-/dyig9a/-/index.html
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
mozenrat
#6 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:23:29 PM
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I disagree with you... If indeed the experience or knowledge he brings to these companies has not resulted in growth in wealth that would allow him to be this well compensated, then am sure the shareholders of these companies would not allow him to continue serving...

If their not serving your interests use the power of your shareholding to vote them out...
Gordon Gekko
#7 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:29:35 PM
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These guys bring a lot more to the Board than just business acumen. These firms want someone who can secure an appointment with the main guy when needed etc and at short notice. Udi Gecaga, Mark Too etc
PKoli
#8 Posted : Friday, September 03, 2010 1:51:14 PM
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mozenrat wrote:
The one thing I took away from the AGM is that Kenyans need a lot of investor education..

Safcom did not pay out 20 cents.. it paid out Kshs. 8 billion which is 40% of its earnings..

this is comparable to with EABL which paid out 6.9 Billion from earnings of 12.5 Billion - 55.2%

Now consider that Safaricom is in telecomms which an extremely capital intensive sector... EABL might not have to change their machines every few years.. Telcos have to constantly keep up with technology.. Just the other day Safcom announced that they are starting 4G trials.... How much do you expect to be spent on that?

Yaani instead of people asking about strategies that the board has in place to fend off the PZain, they're asking about 20cts divs... If these guys have no plan, even 2cts will be a problem..



I am sure if safcom share was trading at 12 bob, investors who bought at 5 bob will not be asking for dividends day in day out. The problem is it has not compensated those investors who went during the IPO. Stagnant at the neighbourhood of 5 bob.
Jamani
#9 Posted : Friday, September 03, 2010 2:35:02 PM
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mozenrat wrote:
I disagree with you... If indeed the experience or knowledge he brings to these companies has not resulted in growth in wealth that would allow him to be this well compensated, then am sure the shareholders of these companies would not allow him to continue serving...

If their not serving your interests use the power of your shareholding to vote them out...


That power will never win, atleast not in the near future, case in point is KQ, its pointless to waste your time to vote against just go there state you disatisfaction and raise your hand to re-elect the preselected team.
PKoli
#10 Posted : Friday, September 03, 2010 2:38:17 PM
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Jamani wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
I disagree with you... If indeed the experience or knowledge he brings to these companies has not resulted in growth in wealth that would allow him to be this well compensated, then am sure the shareholders of these companies would not allow him to continue serving...

If their not serving your interests use the power of your shareholding to vote them out...


That power will never win, atleast not in the near future, case in point is KQ, its pointless to waste your time to vote against just go there state you disatisfaction and raise your hand to re-elect the preselected team.


True especially with the shareholding structure of most of our listed companies; either parastatal with government wielding more than 60% or family controlled business. Ordinary shareholders forget
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