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buying CIC at kes 38
PKoli
#41 Posted : Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:53:33 PM
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[quote=BGL]why buy @ 38 if you can get it at 20bob not unless you are not a SACCO member.

@pkoli

They were raising 450mn, they got 234mn which was 48% less that their target. Regarding the signatories they needed a stamp with an authorized signatory sometimes even a seal.

@ TUPAC

You can download the 2009 annual report from their website and do the numbers... I ain't an accountant so i cannot make your answer from them. However Wazua's most decorated accountant VituVingiSana (senior Elder)or any other accountant can help you out.

here is the annual report http://www.cic.co.ke/pub...ANNUAL_REPORT_20091.pdf[/quote]

I am an active member of CiC I have got there annual accounts for the last three years, both hard and soft.
stock.enigma
#42 Posted : Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:19:54 PM
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They are creating 20,000,000 (Twenty Million) ordinary shares of Kenya Shillings Twenty (Kshs 20)to be sold before the end of the year to members of cooperative societies.

In 2007, i was sceptical and i put in only Ksh 22,500 for 1000 shares, this time around,i will put in 500k worth of shares. I see it going the cooperative bank way in the next 2-3yrs. I won't be attending the EGM (i am very busy..... and my boss once said he does not pay staff to attend AGMs) scheduled for Sept 17 but i got the agenda. [/quote]


What are the returns like since 2007?
BGL
#43 Posted : Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:26:13 PM
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download the annual report 2009. You will get all the info you need from there.
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Wa_ithaka
#44 Posted : Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:44:00 PM
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I appreciate all the hyping, but what is CIC worth?
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PKoli
#45 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 9:33:42 AM
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[quote=BGL]why buy @ 38 if you can get it at 20bob not unless you are not a SACCO member.

@pkoli

They were raising 450mn, they got 234mn which was 48% less that their target. Regarding the signatories they needed a stamp with an authorized signatory sometimes even a seal.

@ TUPAC

You can download the 2009 annual report from their website and do the numbers... I ain't an accountant so i cannot make your answer from them. However Wazua's most decorated accountant VituVingiSana (senior Elder)or any other accountant can help you out.

here is the annual report http://www.cic.co.ke/pub...ANNUAL_REPORT_20091.pdf[/quote]

I expect them to issue a rights to the existing shareholders. Therefore buying more at 38 will guarantee you opportunity to get more shares at a discounted price.
PKoli
#46 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:41:25 PM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
I appreciate all the hyping, but what is CIC worth?


Are you asking about their assests or the share price? Please note the symbiotic relationship with Coop bank. They insure all their loans; loans of the other Coop movement. You better look at it even if you may not be convinced to buy a few
msimon
#47 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:59:07 PM
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PKoli wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
I appreciate all the hyping, but what is CIC worth?


Are you asking about their assests or the share price? Please note the symbiotic relationship with Coop bank. They insure all their loans; loans of the other Coop movement. You better look at it even if you may not be convinced to buy a few


Hey Pkoli, thanks for the update, i have been going through it and i noticed that since 2002, they have only had one year when they had a negative underwriting margin which is nice and their investment income has been increasing. I estimate the value to the private owner to be more than 20/-. Is it possible for a person not in a Sacco to invest, coz i am in kampala.
PKoli
#48 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:21:13 PM
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msimon wrote:
PKoli wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
I appreciate all the hyping, but what is CIC worth?


Are you asking about their assests or the share price? Please note the symbiotic relationship with Coop bank. They insure all their loans; loans of the other Coop movement. You better look at it even if you may not be convinced to buy a few


Hey Pkoli, thanks for the update, i have been going through it and i noticed that since 2002, they have only had one year when they had a negative underwriting margin which is nice and their investment income has been increasing. I estimate the value to the private owner to be more than 20/-. Is it possible for a person not in a Sacco to invest, coz i am in kampala.


Just like Coop Bank, during private placement, they only sold shares to members of the Saccos. Non Sacco members were only allowed during listing. I am not sure whether this issue will be discussed during the EGM on the eligibility. Two suggestions:
1. Quickly join a Sacco and be eligible for the upcoming offer.

2. Get a very trusted friend to buy for you ofcourse under his/her name.

Happy hunting.
BGL
#49 Posted : Friday, September 03, 2010 1:34:00 AM
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I Monsieur BGL, being a SACCO member plus holding a stake in CIC do post some of the agenda for the EGM..... to participate YOU MUST BE A SACCO MEMBER. But resolution 10 may restrict the participation only to current members IF THE BOARD THINKS IT IS OK. By the way the board has so many wazees who should have retired last decade. Though i am member, i will not be attending so those who attend please provide a clearer info.

Increase of Share Capital
Resolution 8.
THAT the authorized share capital of the Company be increased from Kenya Shillings Six Hundred Million (Kshs 600,000,000) to Kenya Shillings One Billion (Kshs 1,000,000,000) divided into 50,000,000 (Fifty Million) shares of Kenya Shillings Twenty(Kshs. 20) each by the creation of 20,000,000 (Twenty Million) ordinary shares of Kenya Shillings twenty (Kshs 20)

Allotment of Shares
Resolution 9.
THAT the Board be and is hereby authorized to issue and allot the unissued share capital of the Company to the existing Class B shareholders and to new shareholders at such price and on such terms as they deem most beneficial to the Company.

Closure of Register of Members
Resolution 10.
THAT the register of members be closed for a period of thirty days from such date as the Board may determine to allow for the issue and allotment of the new shares as authorized in the foregoing resolution.
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PKoli
#50 Posted : Friday, September 03, 2010 2:42:27 PM
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BGL wrote:
I Monsieur BGL, being a SACCO member plus holding a stake in CIC do post some of the agenda for the EGM..... to participate YOU MUST BE A SACCO MEMBER. But resolution 10 may restrict the participation only to current members IF THE BOARD THINKS IT IS OK. By the way the board has so many wazees who should have retired last decade. Though i am member, i will not be attending so those who attend please provide a clearer info.

Increase of Share Capital
Resolution 8.
THAT the authorized share capital of the Company be increased from Kenya Shillings Six Hundred Million (Kshs 600,000,000) to Kenya Shillings One Billion (Kshs 1,000,000,000) divided into 50,000,000 (Fifty Million) shares of Kenya Shillings Twenty(Kshs. 20) each by the creation of 20,000,000 (Twenty Million) ordinary shares of Kenya Shillings twenty (Kshs 20)

Allotment of Shares
Resolution 9.
THAT the Board be and is hereby authorized to issue and allot the unissued share capital of the Company to the existing Class B shareholders and to new shareholders at such price and on such terms as they deem most beneficial to the Company.

Closure of Register of Members
Resolution 10.
THAT the register of members be closed for a period of thirty days from such date as the Board may determine to allow for the issue and allotment of the new shares as authorized in the foregoing resolution.


BGL I am keen on resolution 9, allotment of shares. Whether the existing shareholders will be offered a rights issue of 1 to 1 and whether existing shareholders will be offered at the same price as new shareholders.
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