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Rank: Member Joined: 3/10/2008 Posts: 68
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i cannot say this louder: CCK did no mandate any operator to lower their call charges. i really cannot see whats difficult in understanding that simple fact!!!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/25/2010 Posts: 97 Location: Kenya
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@Kanda
Chambilecho wasanifu, akufukuzaye akuambii toka!
In simpler terms actions speak louder than sound. CCK is not providing a level playing ground for the players in the market. As much as we are enjoying reduced call rates, cck is biased.
You cant declare that once a player is dominant (like safcm), they have to wait for at least a month to react to other players price reductions ..bla bla
Let the competition thrive and the most innovative company will excel.
The work of CCK shud be more like a referee in a footbal match.
Just bcoz Tores is a nice player, you cant limit him to score only using is head. Such that when other players are allowed to score with either their legs, chest, head.etc..hes anly limited to score using is head.
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When the opponent player gets a ball, he has to be still for 30 seconds before reacting.
That was unheard of till CCK brought about their draconian policies.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/21/2010 Posts: 24 Location: nairobi
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some of us must have heavily invested in safcom but lets remain objective in our arguments
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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samwank wrote:some of us must have heavily invested in safcom but lets remain objective in our arguments hahahahhahahahaha Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/16/2010 Posts: 672 Location: nairobi
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Kenyans are a funny lot!!! sawa tu...but remember kencell..celtel...then Zain...now Bharti...next? This guys came to kenya first....used per minute billing...lost customers...This time round eti wamepunguza cost.....guys ...business is about making momney...not philanthropy.... I bet zain=pain....will not survive this price war....as a shareholder of safcom ...i know they have a strategy to bit zain hands down this time round like they did in the first round!! Wahindi waje....hapa si asia...ni africa...economies of scale they say...ok...costs associated?? Well; unless they want to pay peanuts to their staff...BTW who is the best employer....zain ama safcom?? You cant make money by losing money; let us check their books after a year. Mimi nasema safaricom wanashinda!!  God gave me the power to make wealth ... Blessed the work of my hands & enabled be A SELF MADE BILLIONAIRE ...... TO GOD THE FATHER OF MY LORD JESUS CHRIST; BE THE GLORY NOW & FOREVER MORE!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/19/2010 Posts: 49 Location: Nairobi
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Clearly, watu wamechomeka safaricom.
pls inform yourself on the indians previous success with economies of scale...SCOM won't shut down, it will just incur reduced profits from voice, if they continue joking be sure also data...
sue for what anyway? consumers are just redeploying their expenditure, the tax and opportunities follow and will still exist.the price war just called for more innovation!
you should have sued your broker instead for not invoking your stop-loss! haha
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/21/2010 Posts: 24 Location: nairobi
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As a polite reminder the title of the thread is Lets Sue Zain not [b]safaricom die hard section.[/b.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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Quote:As a polite reminder the title of the thread is Lets Sue Zain not [b]safaricom die hard section.[/b. Why would you want to sue ZAIN if u aint a SAFARICOM DIEHARD? '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@Selah, Because Zain reduced their call charges......hahahahahaha!!....Mlefu kanavuta bangi pamoja na mbegu!!.....BK! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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The reduction of cal rates is really interesting! Wacha iendelee. Did I hear Orange have now come up with 100Kshs per month?!!!!! Is that only within their network?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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mjuaji wa stocks wrote:Kenyans are a funny lot!!! sawa tu...but remember kencell..celtel...then Zain...now Bharti...next? This guys came to kenya first....used per minute billing...lost customers...This time round eti wamepunguza cost.....guys ...business is about making momney...not philanthropy.... I bet zain=pain....will not survive this price war....as a shareholder of safcom ...i know they have a strategy to bit zain hands down this time round like they did in the first round!! Wahindi waje....hapa si asia...ni africa...economies of scale they say...ok...costs associated?? Well; unless they want to pay peanuts to their staff...BTW who is the best employer....zain ama safcom?? You cant make money by losing money; let us check their books after a year. Mimi nasema safaricom wanashinda!! U clearly dont understand, pricing wars are GOOD for 30m+ kenyans, vs monopoly(read as extortion), that makes the mobiteleas rich and a select few. Ur bitching coz u can now make calls at a cheaper rate? R u f-ing serious??? Why??? If I were u I would dump those shares coz monopoly is dying very fast. Clearly ulikata shule!! Wacha stress, dump those scon shares.....any normal person would tell u, prices are not going back to what they were ever!! Thanks to zain, we dot have to be extorted anymore by safaricon...poor services and exorbitant rates....then u make a profit?!?, bure kabisa!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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If i was a Zain shareholder i would care about their profits and losses but i'm not. As long as they have the best rates around i will stick with them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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Interesting but cheeky debate; inspired me to look up recent collapses of mobile companies Down and Out2007, USA, Amp'd Mobile with 175,000 niche customers 2010, Japan, Willcom with 4.3 million subscribers On the verge2010, Congo, CWN with 3.6 million subscribers 2010, USA, Sprint Nextel with 4.4 million postpaid subscribers Sad to see Zain Kenya has never really made money for anyone apart from Merali. We all said it would be difficult for the Arabs to run dry but Lo! Is it ironical that in 2008, Rene Meza announced another 25 billion injection in Kenyan network? http://www.arabianbusine...lion-in-kenyan-network-
New tariffs should benefit customers in the near future, as long as CCK does not allow fake tariff increases in the obituary pages to stem bleeding. Is it true we are paying cheaper than South Africa in country rates?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Njung'e wrote:@Selah,
Because Zain reduced their call charges......hahahahahaha!!....Mlefu kanavuta bangi pamoja na mbegu!!.....BK! hahahahahhahahahhaha Even i want some...... Who cares which operator makes profit or not, or gets sold or not,.....who cares? That measly dividend you got wont even buy you a decent meal with drinks for 2....leave alone even make a dent in your investment portfolio... At the end of the day, you're finally paying 3 bob per minute per call to anywhere right? You monthly bill is down by more than 50% ... Let them lose money, make money, bleed money, lay money whatever... WE THE CONSUMER HAVE WON! Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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The fact is Zain Kenya is collapsing and Rene is pulling some desperate maneuvers to stay afloat, i will give a detailed post later @muganda, yes the fella pulled the same lie of 24billion before reporting a loss of 7.2billion in October 2009 (After vuka), BHARTI MITTAL WILL NOT THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD, BY OCTOBER THIS YEAR, THINGS MAY BE BAAAAD, be warned, safaricom is about to become ever more dominant due to Zains MD's reckless price undercutting. I have no bad wishes for Zain, but the MD is not that smart, why don't(didn't) they get a smarter local? A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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@Horton, Amen. I read an extreme case of desperation by shareholders who thought the price of safCon would go to 7/= by close of books on 2nd, sep. And then a good 3! months' wait for the meagre dividends. Just as MJ recently admitted, they are "the better option" and not the best. Emotions are for the bedroom! The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,499 Location: nairobi
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hahahahaha. ati torres angoje thirty seconds before reacting. umenimada kaka!
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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@mlefu, instead of suing Zain for promulgating,,,,,,,i mean for reducing their rates, you are better off suing safaricom for giving out part of your equity to Mobitelea ..hehehe If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/11/2007 Posts: 1,680 Location: nairobi
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office guys..this is what happens in business world..jua kali .
you open up a shop, you get your customers, make good money. Party B think he is better than you, opens a shop opposite yours, reduces the prices to make idiotic margins, his argument will be to get customers,work with huge volumes and possibly will make profits in later years. to avoid losing your customers you lower your prices. soon your customers run back to you, Party B closes shop. you sit back and think..i have made loses for the past 1 year..let the customers pay and UP goes your prices..who is laughing NOW!!!!!
i have another appointment at CCK..who`s with me?
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