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KATIBA MILITARY PARADE
poundfoolish
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:42:46 PM
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gentlemen and ladies..
the we must be tough in deed.. cos im told what is on show is actually old repainted hardware..
and if they parade those tippers(chineese trucks as refered to by the users themselves) that replaced the Benz lorries...then im a shade worried.

Mwafrika31
#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:03:43 AM
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I'm surprised (actually not) that you guys seemed to be impressed by the military. I was rather unimpressed... the soldiers are like in their forties, the equipment is composed of small, outdated castoffs from a wildly different array of nations, and poorly intergrated. The main battle tanks are 40 tons rather than the 70 ton ones, artillery they had can barely fire beyond 4 miles. If that was Kenya's best, then this country is a joke. What I've seen so far reaffirms that Kenya is a smalltime hopelessly third world country.. trust me al-shabbab are not moved!
bkismat
#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:13:51 AM
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Mwafrika31 wrote:
I'm surprised (actually not) that you guys seemed to be impressed by the military. I was rather unimpressed... the soldiers are like in their forties, the equipment is composed of small, outdated castoffs from a wildly different array of nations, and poorly intergrated. The main battle tanks are 40 tons rather than the 70 ton ones, artillery they had can barely fire beyond 4 miles. If that was Kenya's best, then this country is a joke. What I've seen so far reaffirms that Kenya is a smalltime hopelessly third world country.. trust me al-shabbab are not moved!


I'm actually not surprised that you wrote something like this.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
simonkabz
#14 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:46:31 AM
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Mwafrika is a vuvuzela, kelele kwa wingi. Si u tell ua brothers to come, tuonane!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
poundfoolish
#15 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:32:03 PM
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mwafrika is right

Al-shabab don't fight conventional war....they employ gorilla and such like.. to make you waste money as they strategise to cause some terror in your towns and cities...
those things on display are to mesmerise and attract the crowds (as most in the forum are mesmerised)...then maybe scare TZ,of whom there is no foreseeable conflict, uganda has an experienced, disciplined force, Ethiopians are better armed but poorer.
those things are merely an attraction..Kwisha!!!!

but i do know there are better things left in the barracks
Intelligentsia
#16 Posted: : Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:27:50 PM
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I was rather unimpressed... the soldiers are like in their forties,

FACT: Our military,like any other, has a wide range of ages from 20s upwards,what you saw was only a part of them!Shame on you

the equipment is composed of small, outdated castoffs from a wildly different array of nations, and poorly intergrated.

FACT: The country has been modernising its forces and a lot has not been paraded in public for obvious reasons. You do not have to procure your equipment from just one source like we did during the Cold War but can procure each of your military supplies from the best provider of that particular equipment. Tomo. you will also get a closer glimpse of the Z-9WA advanced assault choppers procured in Jan 10 to boost our rotary wing - the 50th Air Calvary. Additional F-5s with advanced avionics have been procured. Some of the equipment will be too heavy to move to Uhuru Park.

The main battle tanks are 40 tons rather than the 70 ton ones,
FACT: It is not the weight that counts, rather the lethality & versatility of a tank's firepower. Heavier tanks like the U.S. Abrams MBT are slower, have limited movt. and are expensive to maintain as they are fuel guzzlers. They take time and lots of transport logistics to deploy,unlike smaller ones which can actually even have better armour. Besides Kenya has T-72s (will be in the parade)and Vickers MK3.

artillery they had can barely fire beyond 4 miles.

FACT: The army has advanced artillery pieces with long ranges. The PION can fire artillery shells upto 55km, i.e from Nbi past Thika. Confirm this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S7_Pion[/b]I there's also the NORA

the Nbi Chronicle has a better and more informed discussion on kenya's armed forces.
the katiba display has nothing to do with tz or ethiopians, if Ug to a very ltd extent, bt it can have a pyscological deterrent value against al shabaab & co.

McReggae
#17 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:27:59 PM
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Thanks @intel for that clarification, mwafrika and his bros al shabaab can go to hell!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Conquestador
#18 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:59:36 PM
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That response by @Intel.. to @Mwafrika is very professional.

I wish @Intel..works in our PMO - we are lacking such factual and clear 'balls' there.
4X
#19 Posted : Friday, August 27, 2010 3:55:01 PM
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@intelligentsia,u are so informd.kwani wewe ni madoadoa?
Mwafrika31
#20 Posted : Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:15:14 AM
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It is said, that one who has not left home thinks his mother is the best cook. The fact that most of you seem impressed by Kenya's geriatric ragtag armed forces, is an indication of your poverty of experience.

@intelligensia
You miss the point entirely (this was expected). Armed forces are graded by several things which Kenya lacks entirely. These include but not limited to, production & procurement of weapons and ammunition and trained manpower, etc.

As you know Kenyan armed forces do not manufacture any weapons or supplies at all, they do not have an R&D budget at all. They let the British train in-country without protest. They are partly trained by the Americans who have'nt won a war since the pacific campaign. This is a fourth grade army serving in a sixth grade third world nation.
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